Considering that Hivemind's very argument is "look what the Caps could do, today, with 1.5m in extra cap space!".....it's hard to understand which side of the fence you guys are on.
Does 1.5 matter.....or not? The Capitals have done a really good job in growing some awesome young talent on offense, have a young G, and a mostly young D. While we all realize that ONE of their first Windows to the Cup was 15-17, it really shouldn't be the only one.
I'm on the side of the fence that the Capitals need to be all in on 2016-17. I've made that case repeatedly before. If you're still confused on that matter, I invite you to read my previous posts in this thread regarding that topic.
I read an article about how Yzerman won his first Cup at 32 (Ovy will be 32 next season), and years of failures....and then went on to win 2 more (3 altogether).
Point being, things happen in sports, so while you need a short view of the team, you also HAVE to take a long view. For a team that seems to have a good 6-8 years of being relevant to the Cup discussions, having a penalty for 6 of those is (again) foolish.
This sounds an awful lot like the George McPhee approach (up until the Forsberg trade, anyway). Working to build a dynasty when you haven't even won your first Cup. Hoarding all the chestnuts. Making sure every move gives good long term value.
You and your "facts and evidence"....lol. The only real discussion here is whether an Orpik Buy Out makes sense, this summer.
It's not an evidence question. It's an opinion question. You are throwing players salaries, fancy stats, and such as "facts and evidence" to bolster Your Opinion. How can you not understand that? There is no "evidence" that shows you can get a 2m replacements for Orpik, now. As Langway and others have shown, the fallacy that it will be somehow "easy" to just plug in a replacement that helps the team is not being addressed by you.
Buyout is the least flawed idea in your opinion, right? It's not one of those facts supported by evidence? Because very good cases can and have been made for other options, and some good cases have been made against buyout.
Yes, it's the least flawed option in my opinion. My opinion is formed on the basis of evidence. Among that evidence is the fact that Orpik's cap hit is $5.5M, the fact that Orpik's metrics are poor, the fact that numerous Capitals players are on expiring contracts, the factual contracts signed by other players, and the fact that management has stated they view the Capitals to be in the second year of a two-year window.
Almost all on here think your opinion on this matter is wrong. Flat out.
Show me the evidence you have to support your opinion. An opinion is only worth as much as what's behind it. Just because you think it's wrong doesn't mean your opinion is correct. I have shown substantial factual evidence behind my opinion, and in areas where speculation is required, I have spelled out my logic pretty clearly (such as the case where I explain why it wouldn't make sense for an expansion franchise to select Orpik, given the amount of other leadership options available to them).
What's annoying about your style here, is that 6-7 posters are telling you how wrong you are, yet you ignore them and seem to want to harp on me and CCF.
I think I've quoted CCF once in this entire thread? I've quoted g00n and txpd far more often than that. I quoted Efactor a couple pages ago. Langway mostly abstained from this debate until very recently, so there hadn't been a need to quote him on this topic (and most of his posts are level headed and factual, rather than going into rants about how my opinions are somehow wrong).
What's "annoying about your style" here is that you're more concerned with my style than the substance. So much so that you post tirades about my posting style. And then when I call you out asking for direct quotes of me doing what you accuse me of, you don't provide them (because they don't exist).
Look at g00n's and Langways arguments, which are almost exactly what I have been saying this entire time (perhaps not so eloquently, but same premises). You won't refute them.
Have you missed the multi-page debates that g00n and I frequently get in? Seriously, you're going to accuse me of not debating g00n?
As mentioned, Langway takes a much more stable and factual approach than you do. Twabby is covering bases with him pretty well right now, so I don't see a need to jump in there. Further more, a lot of Langway's points on this matter correlate to ones I made pages ago (with regards to what can be done with the extra cap space), so I don't feel like moving that far backwards again.
And of course you admit that GMBM won't exercise an Orpik Buy Out. Why? Because he wants to spite poster Hivemind on HF Boards? NO?..he won't because it's an obtuse idea. Period.
It's an obtuse idea....
in your opinion