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squaleca

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how can we compare his peak to other players people on this board continue to compare and say other players peaked higher

82 - 87 over 6 seasons he avg 203 points per season

over 1200 points in 6 seasons

yea lets compare and laugh about it
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ManofSteel55

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squaleca said:
how can we compare his peak to other players people on this board continue to compare and say other players peaked higher

82 - 87 over 6 seasons he avg 203 points per season

over 1200 points in 6 seasons

yea lets compare and laugh about it
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You can't compare them. Anyone claiming that another player had a higher peak is simply wrong.
 
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squaleca said:
how can we compare his peak to other players people on this board continue to compare and say other players peaked higher

82 - 87 over 6 seasons he avg 203 points per season

over 1200 points in 6 seasons

yea lets compare and laugh about it
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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Seriously, is that not more his prime than peak?

Clearly beast career and prime but peak is at least debatable with Lemieux and Orr.
 
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Crosbyfan said:
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Seriously, is that not more his prime than peak?

Clearly beast career and prime but peak is at least debatable with Lemieux and Orr.
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92-93 Lemieux was on a 96 goal, 127 assist, 223 point pace. It would've been the single greatest scoring season in NHL history.

Orr and Gretzky are too apples and oranges. Different eras, different positions. Who knows what Orr could've done as a forward.
 
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92-93 Lemieux was on a 96 goal, 127 assist, 223 point pace. It would've been the single greatest scoring season in NHL history.

Orr and Gretzky are too apples and oranges. Different eras, different positions. Who knows what Orr could've done as a forward.
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First of all, you're not being completely honest with the context of the numbers. Lemieux was on pace for 224 points in 84 game schedule. In 82 game schedule he would have been on pace for 218 (218.94 to be exact but there's no partial points) and in 80 game schedule he would have been on pace for 213 points.

Second of all, if we're playing the what if game, then 83-84 Gretzky was on pace for 99 goal, 133 assists and 232 points in 84 game schedule.

Per game comparison is:

Goal per game:
Lemieux: 1.15
Gretzky: 1.18

Assist per game:
Lemieux: 1.52
Gretzky: 1.59

Points per game:
Lemieux: 2.67
Gretzky: 2.77

The difference here once again? Gretzky played 74 games that season compared to Lemieux's 60.
 
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needmorefighting said:
92-93 Lemieux was on a 96 goal, 127 assist, 223 point pace. It would've been the single greatest scoring season in NHL history.
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Gretzky would have had more goals and points during his 1983-84 season, if he played the full season. Besides, Gretzky and Lemieux have a combined zero Espy's between them, and Crosby has eight, so they cannot compare to the Amazing Sid.
 

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blood gin said:
92-93 Lemieux was on a 96 goal, 127 assist, 223 point pace. It would've been the single greatest scoring season in NHL history.

Orr and Gretzky are too apples and oranges. Different eras, different positions. Who knows what Orr could've done as a forward.
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Lemieux was on pace for 213.3333 in 80 games.

2.66667 PPG


Gretzky has 2 season superior then this, and a third almost on par, and he actually did it by playing the actual full season or close to it.
if you want to compare Gretzkys half seasons , this might get worse for Lemieux.

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Sorry to break it to you. Its simple math bro.
 

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Per game basis compared to his peers Orr was slightly better, Gretzky was the healthiest of the 3 and played in the most favourable situation the longest (which can also be attributed to his playing style and enforcers), Lemieux was actually the most talented and best player to ever live at his best...IMO.
 
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Lemieux was on pace for 213.3333 in 80 games.

2.66667 PPG


Gretzky has 2 season superior then this, and a third almost on par, and he actually did it by playing the actual full season or close to it.
if you want to compare Gretzkys half seasons , this might get worse for Lemieux.

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Sorry to break it to you. Its simple math bro.
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It's also simple math that Gretzky's best seasons came at a time where defensive play and goaltending were noticeably worse and the league itself was higher scoring, but let's ignore that for the sake of making this seem like it's a clearcut case. It's obvious Gretzky had the best career of all time, but those who think Lemieux doesn't have a case as his equal or better in his best seasons are really fooling themselves.
 
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Gretzky's legend/magic is actually starting to hurt him in these debates, because people tend to over-exaggerate the "he scored 200 points without good skating/shooting/size" angle.

In reality he had plus skating, generational agility and - for a 4 year period with the Oilers - one of the deadliest slapshots in the history of the game.
 
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authentic said:
It's also simple math that Gretzky's best seasons came at a time where defensive play and goaltending were noticeably worse and the league itself was higher scoring, but let's ignore that for the sake of making this seem like it's a clearcut case. It's obvious Gretzky had the best career of all time, but those who think Lemieux doesn't have a case as his equal or better in his best seasons are really fooling themselves.
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first you put in false facts to balloon Lemieux's numbers, then when you are called out you claim its simple math that Gretzkys time was in the high scoring 80's. I mean ignore the fact that Lemieux played his first 5 season in the 80's. After that you blatantly failed to actually do some research to see Lemieux's best season came during a freak era where there were a couple of new NHL teams and the scoring was at the all time highest since the mid eighties. Gretzky will always be better. Get over it bro. Lemieux is the 2nd greatest offensive forward of all time. Thats a fact not an argument.


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dam look at all those players with over 120 points !!!!! woohooo . There is not a single season in the 80's when you had this many players with over 120 points .....hmmm
 
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Its a Fact Gretzky is the greatest offensive forward of all time. Not an opinion.
 

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McFlash97 said:
first you put in false facts to balloon Lemieux's numbers, then when you are called out you claim its simple math that Gretzkys time was in the high scoring 80's. I mean ignore the fact that Lemieux played his first 5 season in the 80's. After that you blatantly failed to actually do some research to see Lemieux's best season came during a freak era where there were a couple of new NHL teams and the scoring was at the all time highest since the mid eighties. Gretzky will always be better. Get over it bro. Lemieux is the 2nd greatest offensive forward of all time. Thats a fact not an argument.


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dam look at all those players with over 120 points !!!!! woohooo . There is not a single season in the 80's when you had this many players with over 120 points .....hmmm
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How was I called out if those both came in a single post of mine? Are you confusing me with someone else?

Keep in mind the 90s had much better competition all around the league and especially among the elite talent it was at an all time high. Also if you like facts how about this one, Gretzky scored 38 goals and 130 points in 1994, still a very high scoring season, at the age of 32/33. Lemieux in his first 82 games in the league from the age of 35-37 after a 3 and a half year retirement had 49 goals and 141 points from 2001-2003. It appears once goalies started playing the butterfly and defense became a thing his skillset wasn't quite suited to dominate the game the way Lemieux's could.

Lemieux was a better player and I don't have a single doubt in my mind, Gretzky was healthier and peaked while defense and goaltending was still horrible compared to recent times. Lemieux's assist per game ratio from 35-37 was similar to Gretzky's points per game ratio at the same age during a tougher time to score. Both had their fare share of injuries and wear and tear, but Lemieux had more.
 

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authentic said:
How was I called out if those both came in a single post of mine? Are you confusing me with someone else?

Keep in mind the 90s had much better competition all around the league and especially among the elite talent it was at an all time high. Also if you like facts how about this one, Gretzky scored 38 goals and 130 points in 1994, still a very high scoring season, at the age of 32/33. Lemieux in his first 82 games in the league from the age of 35-37 after a 3 and a half year retirement had 49 goals and 141 points from 2001-2003. It appears once goalies started playing the butterfly and defense became a thing his skillset wasn't quite suited to dominate the game the way Lemieux's could.
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Based on what? And Mario played during the "highflying" '80s yet was not able to put up a season worthy of your claim.

Actually, I just remembered you show no willingness for an objective discussion so forget about it.
 
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