63%, not 87%

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It is not true that 87% of the players approved the deal. It is 87% of players who voted, not of all players. About 200 didn't bother to vote, so the actual number of players voting for the agreement was about 63%. Of course, it is impossiblle to say how the other 200 would have voted, had then be forced to make a choice.
 

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egger66 said:
It is not true that 87% of the players approved the deal. It is 87% of players who voted, not of all players. About 200 didn't bother to vote, so the actual number of players voting for the agreement was about 63%. Of course, it is impossiblle to say how the other 200 would have voted, had then be forced to make a choice.

A vote not cast is a meaningless vote. You count them for both sides or don't count them at all.
 

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egger66 said:
It is not true that 87% of the players approved the deal. It is 87% of players who voted, not of all players. About 200 didn't bother to vote, so the actual number of players voting for the agreement was about 63%. Of course, it is impossiblle to say how the other 200 would have voted, had then be forced to make a choice.

It's pretty safe to say that at a minimum the same percentage of players of that 200 would have voted yes. I'd wager that the "no" side would be most determined to vote and most likely nearly all of them did.
 

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tantalum said:
It's pretty safe to say that at a minimum the same percentage of players of that 200 would have voted yes. I'd wager that the "no" side would be most determined to vote and most likely nearly all of them did.
Indeed. Having worked in surveying and the like, a non-vote is usually a vote for the proposal. If you are against a proposal, you would vote against it rather than abstain.
 

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Political scientists have demonstrated many times over that there is no difference in the opinions of those who vote in political elections, and those who do not. So despite low voter turnout in America, we would not have a different result even if everyone voted. We'd merely feel less guilty for not voting.

Thus, back to the CBA, there would likely be little change from the 87%.
 

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The deal is ratified, we don't need to know these things. Let's focus our energy on hating the team who gets Crosby.
 

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Rick Middleton said:
Indeed. Having worked in surveying and the like, a non-vote is usually a vote for the proposal. If you are against a proposal, you would vote against it rather than abstain.

I thought a non-vote was usually for the overwhelming majority. Such as, if a proposal is widely expected to fail and the vote ends up something like 80%-20%, non-votes would likely have gone overwhelmingly to the No side.
 

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egger66 said:
It is not true that 87% of the players approved the deal. It is 87% of players who voted, not of all players. About 200 didn't bother to vote, so the actual number of players voting for the agreement was about 63%. Of course, it is impossiblle to say how the other 200 would have voted, had then be forced to make a choice.

Looking at this closely, of the 87% of players who voted yes, 100% agreed to ratify the deal. :sarcasm:
 

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Tekneek said:
A vote not cast is a meaningless vote. You count them for both sides or don't count them at all.

Well I guess if you want to count them that way its true, but you could also say 95% of of people approve the deal if you want to count the 200 as not voting against it, so I think its kinda meaningless to look at it that way.
 

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Realm said:
Well I guess if you want to count them that way its true, but you could also say 95% of of people approve the deal if you want to count the 200 as not voting against it, so I think its kinda meaningless to look at it that way.

Ultimately, it's meaningless to speculate about votes not given anyway. It may be fun to play with the numbers but it doesn't mean anything.
 

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Simple arithmatic my friend. Do I need to post a link every time I say the Admirals are from Milwaukee? *Leave snide Norfolk comments outta this, please.

Realm said:
Tekneek said:
A vote not cast is a meaningless vote. You count them for both sides or don't count them at all.

Well I guess if you want to count them that way its true, but you could also say 95% of of people approve the deal if you want to count the 200 as not voting against it, so I think its kinda meaningless to look at it that way.
You don't count the non-voters in any election/poll. One can deduce how the 200 would have voted but they shouldn't count. The 87% sticks as far as a sourced number.
 

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Those who didn't vote, I would surmise, were either unsure or felt the vote was lopsided enough that there was no point in their extra vote(I think by about 11 am mountain time the word was in they already had enough yes votes to pass it) '

Now, for the curious, who do you guys think voted this down?
Discuss.
 

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egger66 said:
It is not true that 87% of the players approved the deal. It is 87% of players who voted, not of all players. About 200 didn't bother to vote, so the actual number of players voting for the agreement was about 63%. Of course, it is impossiblle to say how the other 200 would have voted, had then be forced to make a choice.


They say that only a small percentage of Americans actually voted in the last election...

Does that mean Bush didn't actually win the Election because in the states he won a large majority of folks didn't vote?

Nice try.

If players don't vote, then they are letting others determine their destiny. Period.

Vote or be counted out.
 

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The other 200 players received Florida type ballots.

Yes
No
Maybe
or
Ralph Nader

Still waiting on the results.
 

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AdmiralPred said:
Simple arithmatic my friend. Do I need to post a link every time I say the Admirals are from Milwaukee? *Leave snide Norfolk comments outta this, please.

We're looking for a SOURCE that says 200 players DIDN'T vote.
 

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I was thinking last night a thread like this would be started, but I thought "nah, that would be TOO idiotic".

Guess I was wrong.
 

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I was thinking last night a thread like this would be started, but I thought "nah, that would be TOO idiotic".

Guess I was wrong.

Nothing is too idiotice for HFBoards.
 

AdmiralPred

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PitkanenPower said:
We're looking for a SOURCE that says 200 players DIDN'T vote.
Ahhh. Well just about every article talks about the 530ish who did vote (TSN, ESPN, CBS, etc...), by deduction about 200 didn't. Isn't the players union about 750 strong?

Anyway, so long as the 530ish players is the concrete number, which has been linked to in a few threads on these boards, I would say about 200 didn't vote.

By the way, MOJO just reported 30-0 owner ratification.
 
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