GDT: 5/23/18 - 8:00PM EDT - #1M Washington VS #1A Tampa Bay [ECF GAME 7]

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  1. Bolts265

    Bolts265 Registered User

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    The way our PP was this game i doubt it would have changed anything. But 7 guys and the zebras don't see that?
     
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    God you're pathetic only wanting Washington to win to marginalize the loss.

    Considering the last 9 years were won by teams with the "same core" who were contenders for year still shows winning requires a strong core year after year. All those teams had good coaching, sudden players stepping up, good goaltending and luck how does Vegas winning with the exact same thing make the league look bad again?
     
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    Coopers Gum Extend Andrej Sustr

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    "Good coaching, sudden progressing players, good goaltending, and luck..."

    So what you're saying is, good teams win the Stanley Cup. Ok.

    That comment is almost as one I got earlier this year. "The only reason Tampa is good is because of all their all-stars."

    ... Uh huh?
     
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    The Macho Man Unexpected GF% of 100%

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    I think a few things need to be pointed out about hockey as a sport, especially in the NHL.

    There isn't much talent difference between the top teams (let's call the top teams the 8 best teams in the NHL). Even looking at the rosters going into this series - we had an advantage at D pretty much because we have a Hedman and they don't, and any advantage at forward we had was fairly minimal, with goaltending being a wash. I think you can look at the rosters of the other final 8 teams and come to a similar assessment - we were probably the most talented team in the NHL, but it's hardly Globetrotters v. Generals level of talent disparity.

    Add into that - NHL is especially prone to luck. Just the nature of a game played with an irregular object on ice with sticks. Bounces happen and can have an outsized effect on an individual event, and because of the low scoring nature of the sport, an individual event can have tremendous weight in the overall outcome. This weakens the effect that having a more talented team can have on the outcome of a series.

    Finally - since the talent disparity is small and there is a large piece of randomness involved, other factors weigh in significantly. Effort, attention to detail, some minor systems-based tactical decisions - that's where the difference in a series happens. That's what determines who wins late in the playoffs. I don't think it's a shock that the two teams left are great at the attention-to-detail game, and I don't think any team comes close to Vegas when it comes to effort, and we surely didn't match Washington in that regard. Systems and tactics? Eh - probably an exaggerated effect and easy to monday-morning quarterback, but it's still there.

    But effort and attention-to-detail need to be there to win a Cup. No team is so talented in today's league to ignore those factors. Look at every post-Cap Cup winning team and you'll see each of them excelled in those to features of the game. Pitt last two seasons - despite a meh D corps - played a very solid defensive game and didn't waste possessions. The Blackhawks personified that to a T. The Kings suffocated you by never being out of position, same as the Bruins. The Red Wings, the Ducks...

    All of those teams played that way. We have for stretches - but I think we can all look at the last two ECF losses and say "yeah - we didn't have the compete or the focus we needed to win."

    Bringing in XYZ player isn't going to change that. It needs a buy in from the team and a loud and clear message + accountability from the coaching staff.
     
  5. Hoek

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    You guys are a classy bunch overall. If any of us were obnoxious it's mostly as a defense mechanism against the Pens and Bruins fans and the like. :)
     
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    FinnLightning26 Angery TB fan

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    Get that Cup for Ovi. He deserves it after all the **** he's taken over the years.
     
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    LightningStrikes Hedmonster

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    Reminds me of this piece:

     
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    If it's about luck then you want to keep this intact as long as you can to get as many rolls of the dice as possible.
     
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    Hockey is so much luck compared to some other major sports. It doesn't make sense to go all-in in one season and ruin your future in hockey. We had the pieces to make the McDonagh trade.
     
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    Anyone watch Kuch's interview? It was like he doesn't give a ****, Also said he wasn't injured and Stamkos said he was feeling good.
     
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    This interview, right?

    well, he is smiling a lot here. Certainly this is the most amiable exit interview you could have?
    I'm feeling it's due to him being younger...not really seeing him giving an interview after the loss like this a few years later with a possible letter A on his jersey.
    just sounds like an innocent shy boy who only sees a game as a game, something to enjoy win or lose.
     
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  12. Todd1a

    Todd1a Kucherov or prospect

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    maybe he was told by his agent he was getting a 8 year contract extension for 8.5 per year avv by the lightning on july 1st 2018 ?
     
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    Oh no you have better eyesight than me!!
     
  14. FinnLightning26

    FinnLightning26 Angery TB fan

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    Maybe he went to Cooper's stash of "I don't give a ****" gum.
     
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    Stammertime91 Keep on keepin' on!

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    That Kucherov interview was pretty ridiculous. He should've just done some improv and laughed a few more times. His attitude looks no different than how he played this series. Pretty disappointing even he bought Cooper's "Not our time" line. That and "We will prepare so we don't make the same mistakes." What are you going to do? Instead of taking 50% of the season off, take 75% of the season off?

    No extra hockey last year, take half the season off (even Cooper admitted to how hard it is keeping them interested after they clinched), and hope to somehow then get it done? Disappointing we mailed in half a season only for players to still take off part of the postseason as well.
     
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    Why does staying motivated seem like such an issue for this team? that's right, coaching.
     
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    Meh. Kuch did his part this year. This was his worst postseason by far, and he still led the team in points. Kind of highlights how bad the rest of the team was, too.
     
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