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Expect British Columbians to take over the NBA (Steve Nash - Victoria, BC) and MLB (Justin Morneau - New Westminster, BC) are just the vanguard. Larry Walker (Maple Ridge, BC) blazed the way for Morneau.

You can take that to the bank.
 

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Quite good, yes. But the best defensemen in the league (ie someone the calibur of a Chris Pronger)? I think both Johnson's have more upside and would come closer to the best defensemen in the league level.

As good as they may turn out to be there will be plenty of competition from guys like Bouwmeester, Phaneuf, Webber and others from north of the border.
 

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15 years ago if you asked ANYONE in the World if there would every be a country that could compete with USA in Basketball people would have looked at you and laughed for asking the question.....

Things change

Bobby Ryan, Jim vanRymsdyk, Bobby Sanguinetti

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Less Russians where drafted this year cuz NHL teams are afraid they won't be able to bring that player over to the NHL until a new agreement is made. So US born players filled a lot of that gap in a pretty weak draft year.
 

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That would most certainly not be cool.

That would make the NHL too political and nation-based. If I wanted to watch politics, I'd turn on FOX News and take a heaping **** on top of the TV box and then smear it on the screen. Not fun. It's the freaking NHL becoming a nationality tournament like the World Cup, Olympics, etc. We don't need the countries battling eac other more than that, that's plenty. The NHL needs to work in harmony with all nationalities and to teach players how to disavow the differences, unite as a team, and win the price.

Plus, what about me? I'm an American who is a fan of a Canadian team, and could care less about USA hockey as a whole; I cheer for Finland in the Olympics and have cheered for the Canucks...OVER US...if my relationship with USA hockey is at a low point, World Championship, etc. What then? And how about Canadian fans who cheer for American teams? There are countless people on this board wo do so, including some very high-profile members. I have to watch my favorite team, which is north of the border, play games against only Canadian teams....I'm screwed.

You'll need interleague play, AND PLENTY OF IT. Toronto-Boston, Toronto-Buffalo, Toronto-Detroit...MUST, MUST PLAY, and that's just the start of it. Minnesota needs games with Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton, no doubt...and the list goes on.

What is wrong with working TOGETHER with Canadians to produce the best hockey talent we can as North Americans? After all many Canadians are going NCAA while Americans go to the CHL too, and is it right to deny them the best (in their particular case) way to better themselves as hockey players? What if a BC kid has had his heart set on attenting Denver, North Dakota, Wisconsin, Cornell (hey we get a lot of BCHL'ers, especially Nanaimo, I'm not just being a homer) or other schools, and who at 15 years old wasn't ready to sign away the opportunity to EVER play college hockey. You can always try NCAA and then switch to the CHL, but there's no going back after that.

And those Canadian college/bound kids in the east take wild routes to the NCAA, including a bunch prep schools all over the county, and some join the USHL.

Once you sign that CHL deal, that's where you play until a team drafts you, and after that (once you sign a contract), your drafted team controls where they want you to play, whether it's WHL/CHL/QMJHL or the show. They control where you play as long as their signed with the team. The process repeats, with 19-year olds playing NHL or CHL as to be determined by the staff. At the end of the season, signing with an AHL affiliate for the playoffs is common (especially if the player was sent down.

NCAA kids can stay as many years as they want until the eligibilty runs out, during those times, they are under no obligation to sign with their team until they choose to be. Then, you either step into the NHL or spend time down at the AHL, and play thers until you are called up.

well I can see your an idiot. thanks for your idiotic political rant, which has nothing to do with hockey. you are a typical smuck who watches too much CNN. Stick to hockey on this board, and leave the politics to the people who dont have their heads up their a$$.

I support USA hockey obviously, and it isnt too far stretched that the majority of players in the NHL will one day be American. California and New York can supply enough by itself to fuel the NHL for years. Its only a matter of time...it may be 20-40 years, but it will come as long as you can make millions playing this game.
 

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The US will only continue to become stronger in terms of producing NHL talent. With blacks having taken over football and basketball, more American white kids will turn to hockey and in turn, make the US hockey program more powerful than it ever has before. I think the US will eventually take over Canada's spot as the top talent producer. Maybe not soon, but it will happen eventually
 

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First, somebody here read up on Thomas Malthus or take a course in Economics 101: a statistical trend does not continue indefinitely along the same slope.

Example: let's say snowfall has increased by an average of 0.4 inches per year for five years. . . OH NO! in a hundred years we will be buried under another 3 1/3 feet of snow !

American hockey is in a growth phase. Congratulations are well deserved. But to extrapolate a recent trend into such a claim ("inevitable") is enough to make a statistician reach for the bottle.

The irony is, the gist of your argument (continuing growth) applies to canadian hockey too. Your angle, is pretty much a moot point.
 

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The US will only continue to become stronger in terms of producing NHL talent. With blacks having taken over football and basketball, more American white kids will turn to hockey and in turn, make the US hockey program more powerful than it ever has before. I think the US will eventually take over Canada's spot as the top talent producer. Maybe not soon, but it will happen eventually

Well Baseball has a 7% black population. The white kids can go there. There may have been some exposure from California kids getting drafted but it wont be a huge trend. In California you cant just go out after dinner and play in your backyard. In the majority of Canada you can. It will still take a long time before Canada gets below 50% of the NHL population. As for Americans being the best in the game or at least having the best quality we wont see that happen in our lifetimes. Look at the NHL this year. Like I said before 25 top scorers, the top 5 were Canadian 14/25 were Canadian and none out of the top 25 were American.

California will not be a hockey breeding ground. I mean there has to be interest first in the state. The Ducks win the Cup and from what I heard there was 15,000 fans to show up. If that's true that's just disgusting, plain out brutal.
 

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Well Baseball has a 7% black population. The white kids can go there. There may have been some exposure from California kids getting drafted but it wont be a huge trend. In California you cant just go out after dinner and play in your backyard. In the majority of Canada you can. It will still take a long time before Canada gets below 50% of the NHL population. As for Americans being the best in the game or at least having the best quality we wont see that happen in our lifetimes. Look at the NHL this year. Like I said before 25 top scorers, the top 5 were Canadian 14/25 were Canadian and none out of the top 25 were American.

California will not be a hockey breeding ground. I mean there has to be interest first in the state. The Ducks win the Cup and from what I heard there was 15,000 fans to show up. If that's true that's just disgusting, plain out brutal.


And having one of the best bantam aged players in North America coming out of a place like Texas is another thing we'll never see in our lifetimes either.

Ooops... http://www.nikebauerselects.com/Players/ColinJacobs.htm
 

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Team Canada is looking like the new school. All the older guys that played in the NHL in the 80's and mid 90's are no longer on Team Canada, but looking at the potential list of players on the next squad are amazing. Crosby, Staal, Heatly, Luongo. They keep replenishing the cupboard year after year.

We know all the stars of USA hockey, Modano, Guerin, Roenick etc, but who has taken over from them? Someone mentioned in an earlier post, they are producing big strong d-men, but what about the goalies and forwards? Miller and Dipetro are the best that USA has to show. Meanwhile look at the fight at who will have to backup Luongo in 2010. The US are going a good direction with the develomental league, but it will always be behind the CHL, as that is the best in the world. As long as that happens, you will always have the best players coming from Canada

It's not like Hockey is a new game in teh US that just suddenly came in the last 10 years. The Original 6 had 4 of the 6 teams, but most of those players were still Canadians. Look at the recent cup winner, that steam was stacked with Canadians.

The NHL has been in SoCal for 40 years. Not a new market, so when a team from SoCal wins, and the biggest news is still Kobe and his split personality act, will hockey ever make it big in the nations 2nd largest city?

If population was a basis for how a country does in any sport, then in terms of producing soccer players at a World Class level playing in the Europe (best leagues in the world)China is #1 India is #2 and USA would be #3
 

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US hates hockey.

You can barely find it on TV, yet, more Americans were drafted than ever before?

Canada better hope hockey never gets popular in the US.
 

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US hates hockey.

You can barely find it on TV, yet, more Americans were drafted than ever before?

Canada better hope hockey never gets popular in the US.

I am sure a Conference clinching game hockey will have more importance than a pre-race Horse race show in the US that the game will not be cut off:sarcasm:
 

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Right now I think the active NHL contingent is like 50% canadians,20% americans and the rest europeans.I'll have to double check that though.

SEASON|All|Canada| % Canada |USA| % USA |Euro| % Euro
1917-18|45|42| 93,33% |3| 6,67% |0| 0,00%
1918-19|36|35| 97,22% |1| 2,78% |0| 0,00%
1919-20|49|47| 95,92% |2| 4,08% |0| 0,00%
1920-21|48|46| 95,83% |2| 4,17% |0| 0,00%
1921-22|47|46| 97,87% |1| 2,13% |0| 0,00%
1922-23|44|42| 95,45% |2| 4,55% |0| 0,00%
1923-24|54|52| 96,30% |2| 3,70% |0| 0,00%
1924-25|83|79| 95,18% |4| 4,82% |0| 0,00%
1925-26|107|100| 93,46% |7| 6,54% |0| 0,00%
1926-27|150|146| 97,33% |4| 2,67% |0| 0,00%
1927-28|148|145| 97,97% |3| 2,03% |0| 0,00%
1928-29|147|140| 95,24% |7| 4,76% |0| 0,00%
1929-30|159|152| 95,60% |7| 4,40% |0| 0,00%
1930-31|183|172| 93,99% |11| 6,01% |0| 0,00%
1931-32|151|140| 92,72% |11| 7,28% |0| 0,00%
1932-33|171|161| 94,15% |10| 5,85% |0| 0,00%
1933-34|175|163| 93,14% |12| 6,86% |0| 0,00%
1934-35|178|167| 93,82% |11| 6,18% |0| 0,00%
1935-36|170|159| 93,53% |11| 6,47% |0| 0,00%
1936-37|176|160| 90,91% |16| 9,09% |0| 0,00%
1937-38|166|151| 90,96% |15| 9,04% |0| 0,00%
1938-39|155|145| 93,55% |10| 6,45% |0| 0,00%
1939-40|149|139| 93,29% |10| 6,71% |0| 0,00%
1940-41|151|144| 95,36% |7| 4,64% |0| 0,00%
1941-42|160|152| 95,00% |8| 5,00% |0| 0,00%
1942-43|143|138| 96,50% |5| 3,50% |0| 0,00%
1943-44|151|137| 90,73% |14| 9,27% |0| 0,00%
1944-45|132|122| 92,42% |10| 7,58% |0| 0,00%
1945-46|140|136| 97,14% |4| 2,86% |0| 0,00%
1946-47|150|146| 97,33% |4| 2,67% |0| 0,00%
1947-48|153|148| 96,73% |5| 3,27% |0| 0,00%
1948-49|147|142| 96,60% |5| 3,40% |0| 0,00%
1949-50|170|166| 97,65% |4| 2,35% |0| 0,00%
1950-51|170|167| 98,24% |3| 1,76% |0| 0,00%
1951-52|156|153| 98,08% |3| 1,92% |0| 0,00%
1952-53|161|158| 98,14% |3| 1,86% |0| 0,00%
1953-54|154|152| 98,70% |2| 1,30% |0| 0,00%
1954-55|157|155| 98,73% |2| 1,27% |0| 0,00%
1955-56|147|146| 99,32% |1| 0,68% |0| 0,00%
1956-57|150|149| 99,33% |1| 0,67% |0| 0,00%
1957-58|159|155| 97,48% |4| 2,52% |0| 0,00%
1958-59|145|143| 98,62% |2| 1,38% |0| 0,00%
1959-60|155|151| 97,42% |4| 2,58% |0| 0,00%
1960-61|160|155| 96,88% |5| 3,13% |0| 0,00%
1961-62|151|149| 98,68% |2| 1,32% |0| 0,00%
1962-63|155|152| 98,06% |3| 1,94% |0| 0,00%
1963-64|168|165| 98,21% |3| 1,79% |0| 0,00%
1964-65|171|168| 98,25% |2| 1,17% |1| 0,58%
1965-66|184|181| 98,37% |3| 1,63% |0| 0,00%
1966-67|179|176| 98,32% |3| 1,68% |0| 0,00%
1967-68|326|320| 98,16% |6| 1,84% |0| 0,00%
1968-69|329|323| 98,18% |6| 1,82% |0| 0,00%
1969-70|326|316| 96,93% |8| 2,45% |2| 0,61%
1970-71|388|377| 97,16% |10| 2,58% |1| 0,26%
1971-72|382|364| 95,29% |17| 4,45% |1| 0,26%
1972-73|405|384| 94,81% |19| 4,69% |2| 0,49%
1973-74|439|409| 93,17% |25| 5,69% |5| 1,14%
1974-75|503|464| 92,25% |35| 6,96% |4| 0,80%
1975-76|493|455| 92,29% |35| 7,10% |3| 0,61%
1976-77|506|460| 90,91% |40| 7,91% |6| 1,19%
1977-78|511|458| 89,63% |41| 8,02% |12| 2,35%
1978-79|502|436| 86,85% |49| 9,76% |17| 3,39%
1979-80|656|559| 85,21% |71| 10,82% |26| 3,96%
1980-81|641|534| 83,31% |75| 11,70% |32| 4,99%
1981-82|686|563| 82,07% |75| 10,93% |48| 7,00%
1982-83|678|560| 82,60% |67| 9,88% |51| 7,52%
1983-84|693|560| 80,81% |86| 12,41% |47| 6,78%
1984-85|675|524| 77,63% |93| 13,78% |58| 8,59%
1985-86|693|539| 77,78% |99| 14,29% |55| 7,94%
1986-87|688|535| 77,76% |101| 14,68% |52| 7,56%
1987-88|746|581| 77,88% |115| 15,42% |50| 6,70%
1988-89|734|560| 76,29% |113| 15,40% |61| 8,31%
1989-90|730|543| 74,38% |121| 16,58% |66| 9,04%
1990-91|743|549| 73,89% |127| 17,09% |67| 9,02%
1991-92|788|561| 71,19% |146| 18,53% |81| 10,28%
1992-93|789|529| 67,05% |143| 18,12% |117| 14,83%
1993-94|872|574| 65,83% |154| 17,66% |144| 16,51%
1994-95|808|512| 63,37% |149| 18,44% |147| 18,19%
1995-96|857|539| 62,89% |154| 17,97% |164| 19,14%
1996-97|849|533| 62,78% |145| 17,08% |171| 20,14%
1997-98|836|518| 61,96% |140| 16,75% |178| 21,29%
1998-99|902|555| 61,53% |148| 16,41% |199| 22,06%
1999-00|923|535| 57,96% |149| 16,14% |239| 25,89%
2000-01|975|543| 55,69% |149| 15,28% |283| 29,03%
2001-02|966|524| 54,24% |150| 15,53% |292| 30,23%
2002-03|979|544| 55,57% |142| 14,50% |293| 29,93%
2003-04|1012|555| 54,84% |161| 15,91% |296| 29,25%
2005-06|963|518| 53,79% |182| 18,90% |263| 27,31%
2006-07|942|499| 53,15% |182| 19,58% |261| 27,71%
 

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And having one of the best bantam aged players in North America coming out of a place like Texas is another thing we'll never see in our lifetimes either.

Ooops... http://www.nikebauerselects.com/Players/ColinJacobs.htm

That's all nice and good but I'm not holding my breath on a 14 year old from Texas being the light at the end of the tunnel. Look at all of the kids who were highly touted at even 15-16 years of age and some never even made the NHL

Lou Dickenson, Thatcher Bell, Yannick Lehoux. If you never have even heard of these names then I've made my point. Okay he can play in Texas but can he play in the WHL? We'll see. And even that doesnt clinch him either.
 

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In California you cant just go out after dinner and play in your backyard. In the majority of Canada you can. It will still take a long time before Canada gets below 50% of the NHL population. As for Americans being the best in the game or at least having the best quality we wont see that happen in our lifetimes. Look at the NHL this year. Like I said before 25 top scorers, the top 5 were Canadian 14/25 were Canadian and none out of the top 25 were American.

California will not be a hockey breeding ground. I mean there has to be interest first in the state.

I take it you've never played street hockey? It may not be on ice, but it is still hockey, everything is there. And a lot of kids that grew up playing street hockey end up excellent skaters on the ice (i.e Jonathon Blum, SCSU's Ryan Lasch, Brett Sterling, Brett Bruneteau, etc) as it is easier to turn on the blades.
 

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I am a Canadian living and working in the United States so I feel like I can offer a fairly unbiased perspective. Just taking a cursory glance at some of the posts, the Canadian posters seem to grasp onto a rather myopic position. To be brutally honest, a lot of their notions of nationalism are challenged since their perspectives are tainted by pride and emotion. Understandably so.

Analyzing the facts however, proves that the sensationalized view that "America will one day surpass Canada in producing hockey talent" does hold some merit. One cannot simply quantify the validity of this phenomenon by establishing a time-line. This is something that won't occur in the next five, twenty-five or even fifty years! Nevertheless, given the current progression, how can anyone say that America won't surpass Canada someday down the line? 100-200 years later, if the NHL continues to exist, I am confident that America has a great shot at achieving this.

Although the NHL draft isn't the most accurate barometer, the growth and development of American hockey has been unbelievable.

-In 2007, the 1st and 2nd overall picks have been Americans. Eight players drafted in the 1st round have been Americans.

-In 2006, the 1st, 5th, 7th and 8th overall picks have been Americans. Ten players drafted in the first round were Americans. Only 11 players drafted in the first round were Canadians.

-In 2005, the 2nd, 3rd, 8th and 9th overall picks were Americans. Eight players drafted in the first round were Americans. Only 13 players drafted in the first round were Canadians.

You go back 10 years to 1997, 1996 and 1995. The difference is night and day.

-In 1997, only three players drafted in the first round were Americans.

-In 1996, only three players drafted in the first round were Americans.

-In 1995, only one player drafted in the first round was American.

At this pace of development, the Americans will progress past Canada one day in terms of producing top hockey talent in both quantity and quality. Canadians can argue that their culture is synonymous with hockey and the atmosphere that is conducive to hockey is unparalleled. True, but the American population is 300 million as opposed to Canada's 30 million.

As more and more Americans follow hockey, this trend will continue to grow. Also, places like Texas, California, Florida and the entire American south has only recently been introduced to hockey. Within a decade, you'll start to see those states churn out hockey talent. Actually, California already has with Jon Blum drafted in the 1st round this year. Blum is a 1989 birth and Gretzky inspired hockey in California in 1993 when Blum was four years old. As more and more of these American kids grow up with hockey as teams like Carolina, Anaheim and Tampa win the cup, more and more American kids will develop into viable NHL'ers one day.

Also, don't forget the talent-drain. Tons of NHL talent from Gretzky to Brett Hull to Crosby (1st in NHL scoring this year) to Stasny (30th in scoring) to Tanguay (25h in NHL scoring) to thousands of others were influenced by their fathers growing up. All these fathers played integral parts in the development of these kids in their hockey lives since they either played, was drafted or was a part of hockey. 24 of the 30 NHL teams are located in America. As the top Canadian, European, American and world talent relocates to America and settles there, most of the hockey legacy will be growing their roots in America. For example, as guys like the Niedermayer's, the Pronger's and Tampa's three stars settle in the States, they'll inevitably teach their kids and the kids in their communities to appreciate hockey. A guy like Parise is the perfect example. JP Parise was a 3rd line hockey player who played in the US. He settled there and brought up his son, Zach Parise, to be a hockey player. Zach Parise is now a great NHL player (who is 2nd on NJ in scoring) and who has grown up American.

I've been typing for too long so I'll stop now. But if anyone takes an unbiased look at the torrid progression of American hockey should see the same phenomenon. It is asinine to believe Canada will always remain the superior hockey nation in producing top talent simply because of its culture and climate. Climate is a unparalleled advantage but the difference of 270 million in population easily offsets that. Then we're left with culture. Culture is fluid and changes with time - this is exactly what we're seeing with hockey in the United States.


Your arguement sounds very eloquent but fortunately or unfortunately depending on which side of the arguement you are on you are probably wrong.

The coaching in Canada is still superior even with the so called talent drain and that situation will not likely change in my lifetime. There are a lot of guys coaching here that have played the game at a very high level. That experience and knowleged is continously being handed down to the next generation and at every age group.

In the States, you see a lot of kids of former NHL'ers making it. In Canada, it is much more diverse.

Which would you rather have, a very select group to pick from or one that is more diverse? I would take the latter group, that is how you find those generational type players.

I would also suggest that despite that fact that Americans have been selected ahead of Canadians in the last few drafts, the Canadians have in fact proven to be superior based on there most recent performances, i.e., Staal and Toews versus E. Johnson.

Johnson was average at the worlds, he was also average at U of M. Toews on the other hand went to the frozen four for the second year in a row and was a leader on his team. With some goaltending they may have won it.

And what can you say about Staal. He was simpy great.

I personally think that Turris will prove to be the best player selected in this year's draft and the second best player will be Alzner.
 

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This is certainly an interesting topic. I think one of the big mistakes many people assume is that the hockey in the US will continue to grow at the same rate it is now. I suspect we'll see a leveling off period where the US will continue to produce good players, but not at a level surpassing Canada.

This situation that exists presently reminds me a great deal of the one that existed 50 to 60 years ago when the Russians began developing hockey players. Canada had a long history of develping world-class players, the Russian program was in its infancy. Instead of copying the Canadian program, the Russians devised their own based on the sport sciences. The Russians enjoyed tremendous results winning almost every World Championship in the 1960's and 1970's. In 1972, Canada got a wake up call and began to realize how good the Russians were. In 1981, they pounded us in the final of the Canada Cup and many assumed the Russians and their massive population and world class training methods would soon taken over as the top hockey nation. The Russians have had great success and continue to develop some of the world's most skilled players. But, they have never reached a level where their depth of talent matches Canada.

In many respects, the US reminds of of Russia. They started at the bottom, have made great strides, have begun to enjoy some success internationally (although not to the same level as the Russians) and are developing some highly skilled players. While the Americans are certainly competitive on the international stage I suspect we'll see a repeat of history where the US will win some international competitions, develop some of the top draft picks, but will still remain behind Canada in both quality and quantity of players.

Of course, we must keep in mind that competition will also make Canada better. When Canada lost the World Cup in 96' to the US and didn't win a medal at the 98' Olympics we revamped our system and are seeing results. There is little doubt that the skill level of the young players in Canada his higher than it has been in the past.

I think the key for Hockey Canada is to never become complacent. As good as we are, we can always get better and need to search for ways to get better. I have for many years been a propent of developing a program similar to the USNTDP in Canada, although on a provincial basis at the u-16 and perhaps u-15 levels. I think it's critical to get the best players out of the minor hockey system where most can dominate with ease, and put them in a development program where they receive the best coaching and training possible and are forced to compete with and against players who are their equal. Don't be surprised if we see a system such as this in the near future in Canada.
 

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This is certainly an interesting topic. I think one of the big mistakes many people assume is that the hockey in the US will continue to grow at the same rate it is now. I suspect we'll see a leveling off period where the US will continue to produce good players, but not at a level surpassing Canada.

This situation that exists presently reminds me a great deal of the one that existed 50 to 60 years ago when the Russians began developing hockey players. Canada had a long history of develping world-class players, the Russian program was in its infancy. Instead of copying the Canadian program, the Russians devised their own based on the sport sciences. The Russians enjoyed tremendous results winning almost every World Championship in the 1960's and 1970's. In 1972, Canada got a wake up call and began to realize how good the Russians were. In 1981, they pounded us in the final of the Canada Cup and many assumed the Russians and their massive population and world class training methods would soon taken over as the top hockey nation. The Russians have had great success and continue to develop some of the world's most skilled players. But, they have never reached a level where their depth of talent matches Canada.

In many respects, the US reminds of of Russia. They started at the bottom, have made great strides, have begun to enjoy some success internationally (although not to the same level as the Russians) and are developing some highly skilled players. While the Americans are certainly competitive on the international stage I suspect we'll see a repeat of history where the US will win some international competitions, develop some of the top draft picks, but will still remain behind Canada in both quality and quantity of players.

Of course, we must keep in mind that competition will also make Canada better. When Canada lost the World Cup in 96' to the US and didn't win a medal at the 98' Olympics we revamped our system and are seeing results. There is little doubt that the skill level of the young players in Canada his higher than it has been in the past.

I think the key for Hockey Canada is to never become complacent. As good as we are, we can always get better and need to search for ways to get better. I have for many years been a propent of developing a program similar to the USNTDP in Canada, although on a provincial basis at the u-16 and perhaps u-15 levels. I think it's critical to get the best players out of the minor hockey system where most can dominate with ease, and put them in a development program where they receive the best coaching and training possible and are forced to compete with and against players who are their equal. Don't be surprised if we see a system such as this in the near future in Canada.


Right on. And as you suggest it won't be just one team since Canada has the depth to produce 5 or 6 squads.

Canadian coaches are always looking to upgrade themselves. Don't think for one minute that Canada isn't looking at the US program and seeing what they can take from it.

The one thing I see where Canada can improve is in strength training. Strength training right now is on an adhoc basis. Once it becomes more established in Canada, you will see an even greater dominance by Canadian kids.
 

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The US hockey programs have been getting better, but Canada still produces the best players.

Even if the US did take over, the sport will continue to be #1 sport in Canada

While Canada may produce the greatest quantity of players currently playing in the NHL … I still think Russia produces the best quality hockey players (always have) - some just don't play in the NHL.
 

Junius

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sorry if it came off that way.I was honestly curious as to how canadians would view the NHL when the majority of players in it are american. It would be kind of like a paradox in that the NHL is barely noticed on the american sports radar yet they will eventually be the biggest suppliers in an internationally comprised sports league.

That is simply not going to happen. The NHL is becoming more and more international all the time. More countries in Europe are producing players - you saw a Dane in the first round this year along with draft picks from Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Slovenia and Norway the last few years along with the traditional countries like Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech, Slovkia and the other former Russian republics.

It was a good year for US players but it was also a weak draft year. Countries ebb and flow and next year will be a good year for Sweden and again for Canada.

I doubt any country will again have a majority. By the way, 30% is not a majority.
 

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While Canada may produce the greatest quantity of players currently playing in the NHL … I still think Russia produces the best quality hockey players (always have) - some just don't play in the NHL.

Ya, they've certainly proved that over the last decade.... NOT.

Russians for the most part are quite skilled, but unfortunately they are not the shapest tools in the box.

The game at the highest levels requires intelligence. That is why Toews has already won 5 world championships in his young career while no Russian can even come close.
 

nags

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That's all nice and good but I'm not holding my breath on a 14 year old from Texas being the light at the end of the tunnel. Look at all of the kids who were highly touted at even 15-16 years of age and some never even made the NHL

Lou Dickenson, Thatcher Bell, Yannick Lehoux. If you never have even heard of these names then I've made my point. Okay he can play in Texas but can he play in the WHL? We'll see. And even that doesnt clinch him either.

This kid's size wouldn't even be noticed at the better 93 tournaments in Canada. Brent Benson who plays for Saskatchewan Wheatland would probably crush this kid. And he would probably be one of the smallest defencemen on Alberta's 93 Team Extreme.
 

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California will not be a hockey breeding ground. I mean there has to be interest first in the state. The Ducks win the Cup and from what I heard there was 15,000 fans to show up. If that's true that's just disgusting, plain out brutal.

You're going to make that assessment based on the Duck's victory? Lets not kid ourselves. The Ducks have the smallest fan base in California. You do know a team called the Kings that have existed about 20 minutes away from the Ducks, right? They have the bulk of the fan base.

Additionally, California's a big state. Up here in San Jose, it would have been MUCH MUCH different. While we can't compete with Canadian teams, we have a pretty loyal following here. We have several hockey leagues here, one of which, "Logitech Ice, along with Sharks Ice at Fremont, currently holds the largest number of Adult USA Hockey participants (2,400) of any facility in the nation". Not bad for "CALIFORNIA', right? That doesn't include the several other leagues around here as well. We also just had our first draft pick who was born and raised in San Jose, through the Jr. Shark program. Granted thats just one, but if you think about how long hockey has been here (not including the Seals back in the day), its just starting to begin (Sharks 91, McPherson born 89). More and more kids are playing hockey these days around here - you see it at the park, at the rinks, where ever.

I'm not going to suggest that we're going to produce the best hockey players in the world, nor will I argue that the US population in Hockey will over shadow Canadian, but please don't throw out ignorant comments. Unless you've studied the area, or lived here as long as I have, then you don't really have a right to make these claims. California has produced many top athletes in a array of sports, there's no reason we can't produce some in hockey - its just a matter of time.
 
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alkurtz

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Been posting on the Ranger boards for a bit but this is my first post on the "big board." Been a hockey fan for over 45 years. Grew up in New York City straining to hear Foster Hewitt and Danny Galivan on the radio. I love Canada and have been in every Canadian province. While I never played hockey myself (rinks were not available in the Bronx in the 1950s), I've been a hardcore fan (season ticket holder at MSG) in the 70s...my son played for his high school team so I made the trips to rinks so he could be on the ice at 5 AM and was proud to share that experience with tens of thousand in Canada. I am certainly heartened to see the growth of US hockey but need to make a few points.
US hockey is Canadian hockey. All the wonderful cultural values that make hockey the world's greatest sport and are essentially Canadian values have been adopted by US players. Any success the US has had is a credit to Canadians.
The media underestimates just how popular hockey is in a certain segment of the US. In the NE and across the upper Midwest, in the economically well off suburbs, hockey is thriving. Rinks go literally 24 hrs a day: little kids in the afternoon after school, youth leagues and practices at night in the early evening and up until 11 or so, senior leagues later and even after midnight. All of this flies underneath the radar. This will continue and along with the inevitable growth of hockey in "non-traditional" places such as California, the amount of US players is bound to increase. Its a mistake to say that all the best athletes play baseball, basketball, or football. In hockey areas, many top athletes do choose hockey.
However, I doubt we will ever see the time when there are more US players than Canadian players. I think we will see a time when the top tier of elite US players may be able to steal an Olympics or two (as happened with the World Cup in 96), but Canada will always be hockey's heart and soul. As much as I love US hockey, I would not want to see it any other way.
 

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