If you dont like it, dont come here. Theres plenty of value in tanking and they should have done it but the organization cant get anything right so Im used to it.Sabres' Eichel has an answer for anyone wondering why he's playing
Pretty sure we can lock this thread up.
No value in the tank.
I don't want the 2nd or 3rd pick.
We need the lottery balls to bring us a Defensemen.... either win the lottery for Dahlin, or get leap frogged in the lottery and land in the #4/5 spot for one of the next tier of Defensemen.
What are your top 5 d prospects looking like? Haven't had a chance to watch any of them this year.
I don't want the 2nd or 3rd pick.
We need the lottery balls to bring us a Defensemen.... either win the lottery for Dahlin, or get leap frogged in the lottery and land in the #4/5 spot for one of the next tier of Defensemen.
I don't want the 2nd or 3rd pick.
We need the lottery balls to bring us a Defensemen.... either win the lottery for Dahlin, or get leap frogged in the lottery and land in the #4/5 spot for one of the next tier of Defensemen.
Anyone that says "I dont want Number 2 or 3 pick, give me Number 4 or 5 pick instead cause it's better for me" needs to go visit a doctor.
What are your top 5 d prospects looking like? Haven't had a chance to watch any of them this year.
If not #1 then next best case scenario is to trade back from #2 to #4/5 to add another high pick in the draft. I will take any lottery win and deal from a position of strength.
I agree, i don't care what the quality of players even is. The second or third overall pick is a significantly more valuable asset then the 5th or 6th pick.
Anyone that says "I dont want Number 2 or 3 pick, give me Number 4 or 5 pick instead cause it's better for me" needs to go visit a doctor.
there are 4 in a tier after Dahlin - Adam Boqvist of Brynas SHL, Evan Bouchard of the London Knights, Quinn Hughes of the University of Michigan, Noah Dobson of Acadie Bathurst of the QJMHL
there is no strong consensus in the ranking of them, probably will remain that way until the draft.
@Jame,
I'm interested in a Teppo Numminen type: calm, controlling, vision, spacing, positioning, smart approach vs. relying solely on physical talents. Is Dobson in that mold?
Tier 1
1. Dahlin - Obviously
Tier 2
2. Noah Dobson - I've watched him more than the others. I think he's got a complete game. Reminds me of Doughty when he was coming out. He does everything very well, and has the defensive chops to be a #1. He may not have the dynamic skating of Boqvist/Hughes.... but he's no slouch offensively. His outlet passing is elite and he jumps in to the play and creates offense from within the zone as good as anyone. There is a hunger, and higher value placed on D who can skate like the wind. Dobson isn't that guy, and I think he'll be undervalued (mistakenly) on draft day by teams that covet that dynamic skillset that Boqvist and Hughes have. Dobson, on the other hand... is an IQ defensemen. He sees the lanes and space so well with and without the puck.
As of today, I would draft Dobson #2 overall. I think his draft narrative will go a lot like Miro Heiskanen's went last year. He wasn't viewed as a top tier guy going in to the season. But as the season wore on he kept working his way up draft boards. By June, I think he's universally be viewed as a top 5 pick. I think he's a guy with a decent chance to be the Doughty/Petriangelo of your blueline.... and if not, he's extremely likely to end up as a Dougie Hamilton type #2/3.
One of the best takeaways I've had this year, was the way he adapted his game for the Hlinka tournament. If you had watched him in the Q the prior year, you would've seen an aggressive puck dominant defensemen. A guy who could rush the puck, who would transition from a hard outlet to joining the rush, etc. But at Hlinka, he transformed in to a patient, shutdown, matchup defensemen. He took away space, made the safe plays, didn't turn the puck over, etc. It showed he was coachable, that he could fit in different systems/roles, and from that point on.... I was sold.... and it certainly didn't hurt that he turned himself in to a dominant PP QB throughout this year in the Q.
3. Boqvist
4. Hughes
Tier 3
Wilde
Bouchard
Smith
McIsaac
Outcome I want.... in order of preference
1. Win the lottery, win Dahlin, start winning
2. Draft Dobson, stabilize the backend with a #1 defensemen long term
3. Draft Hughes/Boqvist, change the backend with a dynamic skater
4. Draft Zadina, he can score on his own
5. Draft Tkachuk, at least we'd be fun to watch and have some identity.
Svechnikov is overrated
When's the last time a team traded back/up in the top of the draft?
100% this. Forces us to actually draft for need and not end up like the Oilers.I don't want the 2nd or 3rd pick.
We need the lottery balls to bring us a Defensemen.... either win the lottery for Dahlin, or get leap frogged in the lottery and land in the #4/5 spot for one of the next tier of Defensemen.
When's the last time a team traded back/up in the top of the draft?