Pre-Game Talk: 2018 NHL Entry Draft

[Kipper933]

I think the better value players that could still be available in the 4th will be overagers, guys like Scott Perunovich, Vladislav Yeryomenko, Sean Durzi, Joey Keane, Connor Dewar, Logan Hutsko, Veini Vehviläinen.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

I think Tkachuk goes to AZ.

I hope so too, the more Arizona fails the better. Can't stand that team.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

I just hope if we do trade for a 1st rounder, we don't end up being stupid with it. The only way I'd accept Brady Tkachuk in a Flames sweater is if we pick him later than 10th overall and we traded a mep player (Not Brodie) to get that pick. Otherwise, screw it.

 

[DFF]

I just hope if we do trade for a 1st rounder, we don't end up being stupid with it. The only way I'd accept Brady Tkachuk in a Flames sweater is if we pick him later than 10th overall and we traded a mep player (Not Brodie) to get that pick. Otherwise, screw it.

No worry man, I think BT is a smart guy, there is no chance that he would trade anything of real value for a pick

He knows very well that if he cant improve this team immediately, he wont be around much longer. The pick is not going to help him anytime soon.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

The amount of non-hf Flames fans obsessed with Brady is concerning. Even if Brady was a RHS forward I'd still be hesitant in choosing him over Wahlstrom, Hughes, and Smith for the Flames if we somehow manage to get a top 8 pick.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Brady’s hype just speaks to how good Matthew is. If he had a different last name, he would probably be drafted around 15-20. He’s no Bokk.

 

[Club]

I hope the Flames draft Sean Dhooghe

 

[Kipper933]

I hope the Flames draft Sean Dhooghe

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

I hope the Flames draft Sean Dhooghe

I thought someone would take a flier on him last year after he was pretty good at the u-18s

 

[SmellOfVictory]

The amount of non-hf Flames fans obsessed with Brady is concerning. Even if Brady was a RHS forward I'd still be hesitant in choosing him over Wahlstrom, Hughes, and Smith for the Flames if we somehow manage to get a top 8 pick.

It's not surprising. It's pretty standard idiocy to obsess about collecting an entire family for one team, at the expense of logic; I assume there's some instinctive cognitive wiring that triggers it in a lot of people.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

I think the better value players that could still be available in the 4th will be overagers, guys like Scott Perunovich, Vladislav Yeryomenko, Sean Durzi, Joey Keane, Connor Dewar, Logan Hutsko, Veini Vehviläinen.

As a general rule of thumb I'd rather see the Flames err on the side of extremely young and unproven rather than over-age and moderate growth. Naturally there's the occasional over-age guy who is a worthwhile grab, but most of them don't last past the 2nd/3rd round. The extremely young guys are much more of a gamble, but the potential ceiling is much higher, in my opinion.

 

[Dack]

As a general rule of thumb I'd rather see the Flames err on the side of extremely young and unproven rather than over-age and moderate growth. Naturally there's the occasional over-age guy who is a worthwhile grab, but most of them don't last past the 2nd/3rd round. The extremely young guys are much more of a gamble, but the potential ceiling is much higher, in my opinion.

I'm going to disagree on that. Overagers are the most undervalued type of prospect these guys draft years would be considered fantastic D+1 seasons had they been drafted the year before but since they weren't they're chopped liver to a lot of NHL teams.

If it's someone like Nielsen on the Hitmen who produced really well 5v5 but is flying under the radar because he was on an awful team and is short then I'm with you but I would much prefer having a guy like Mascherin who's basically guaranteed to be a good AHL player and will likely play in the NHL at one point then randomly gambling on a meh CHLer. To summarize production>>>no production.

Durzi is another good overage guy.

 

[Lunatik]

The amount of non-hf Flames fans obsessed with Brady is concerning. Even if Brady was a RHS forward I'd still be hesitant in choosing him over Wahlstrom, Hughes, and Smith for the Flames if we somehow manage to get a top 8 pick.

Why is fan obsession concerning? They don't run the draft. The Flames won't have a pick anywhere near high enough to draft him anyway, so why even waste a thought on it, let alone be concerned?

 

[Lunatik]

As a general rule of thumb I'd rather see the Flames err on the side of extremely young and unproven rather than over-age and moderate growth. Naturally there's the occasional over-age guy who is a worthwhile grab, but most of them don't last past the 2nd/3rd round. The extremely young guys are much more of a gamble, but the potential ceiling is much higher, in my opinion.

Mangiapane was "over-aged"

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Why is fan obsession concerning? They don't run the draft. The Flames won't have a pick anywhere near high enough to draft him anyway, so why even waste a thought on it, let alone be concerned?

Although it's not everything, fanbase influences some decisions, meaning sometimes GMs choose players for profit and media reasons rather than actually helping the team.

 

[Lunatik]

Although it's not everything, fanbase influences some decisions, meaning sometimes GMs choose players for profit and media reasons rather than actually helping the team.

It's literally not anything. No GM worth a damn will listen to fans over scouts on who to draft. You say alot of crazy things, but this has to be up there as one of the worst.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

It's literally not anything. No GM worth a damn will listen to fans over scouts on who to draft. You say alot of crazy things, but this has to be up there as one of the worst.

I've heard many reports saying Vancouver chose Virtanen over Nylander and Ehlers because he's BC boy that has size and grit.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

Mangiapane was "over-aged"

I know, and he put up nearly two points per game in his 18 y/o season, which is pretty high end growth given he doubled his point production from the previous season. Regardless, I didn't say all over-aged players are bad choices, but unless they're performing exceptionally well (like Mangiapagne) I don't see why you'd take them over young guys who may have substantially more growth potential.

 

[Anglesmith]

This:

I've heard many reports saying Vancouver chose Virtanen over Nylander and Ehlers because he's BC boy that has size and grit.

has nothing to do with this:

...fanbase influences some decisions...

You're talking about a case of a team having a "good Canadian kid" bias being somehow related to what the fanbase types on message boards. It is not.

 

[Lunatik]

I've heard many reports saying Vancouver chose Virtanen over Nylander and Ehlers because he's BC boy that has size and grit.

What does that have to do with fans being obsessed with a player? Sutter was the same way when he was here, he would regularly choose guys who had been through traumatic experiences because he believed it helped their character. But it wasn't representative of what the fans wanted, it was his own personal bias, it is the same with Dim Jim

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Although it's not everything, fanbase influences some decisions, meaning sometimes GMs choose players for profit and media reasons rather than actually helping the team.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Tkachuk is good. That’s the funny thing.

Not to mention his draft -1 numbers were really good... hard to dominate college as a freshmen (see Makar, Mittelstadt) especially as a draft eligible player on a deep, defensive team.

He dominated Canada at the WJC in his draft year. How is that not indicative of future success?

The Brady Tkachuk haters will get just as much egg as the Matt Tkachuk haters.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Tkachuk is good. That’s the funny thing.

Not to mention his draft -1 numbers were really good... hard to dominate college as a freshmen (see Makar, Mittelstadt) especially as a draft eligible player on a deep, defensive team.

He dominated Canada at the WJC in his draft year. How is that not indicative of future success?

The Brady Tkachuk haters will get just as much egg as the Matt Tkachuk haters.

I don't think Tkachuk is bad, it's just when not including team needs, Wahlstrom, Hughes, Smith, Dobson, Bouchard, and Boqvist's upside is better than Tkachuk. When you factor the Flames needs, if the Flames somehow get a top 5-10 pick, and one of Wahlstrom, Hughes, and Smith is still available, you do not take Tkachuk over them.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I love how much we debate this on our board. It's almost like we think these guys will be available in the 4th round.

 

[Volica]

I love how much we debate this on our board. It's almost like we think these guys will be available in the 4th round.

If someone accurately predicts who we'll pick with our first pick in the 4th round, I'd be truly amazed.