Speculation: 2018 NHL Draft Talk :)

[emptyNedder]

The first forward taken (FFT, saw this on another site) has AVERAGED 21 goals and 45 points. Given that the consensus on Svech is that he is a step behind Laine but slightly ahead of Hischier/Patrick, I think 20/40 should be the conservative estimate.

 

[A Star is Burns]

30-40 pts tops for either, anything else is bonus and I don’t care if they get less.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Forward Scoring Position	Mean Extrapolated Points (Playoff Teams)	Carolina Extrapolated Points	Net
1	89	68	-21
2	75	64	-11
3	65	51	-14
4	52	49	-3
5	47	48	1
6	42	44	2
7	39	39	0
8	33	36	3
9	28	31	3

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

If not clear, this chart lists out the extrapolated (82 games) RS point average for the 16 playoff teams at each forward scoring position (1-9) and how Carolina compares.

- The only playoff team with a comparable spread was San Jose. It is important to note that the Sharks had a high-end point producer on defense in Burns and added Kane at the TDL.
- We knew that top-end scoring was an issue, but the extent of the problem was surprising to me. For as good as Aho was last season, his production was the equivalent of a #3 on a playoff team.
- Relevance to this thread... this chart is why the suggestion of O’Reilly for 2OA, or anything of an equivalent nature, is dumb. The Canes have to swing for the fences with this pick.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

Is Svech and Necas don't tie for the Art Ross I'm ready to call them both busts.

 

[bluedevil58]

Is Svech and Necas don't tie for the Art Ross I'm ready to call them both busts.

Same. It better happen next year too.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Is Svech and Necas don't tie for the Art Ross I'm ready to call them both busts.

Already busts in my mind because they're not Aho. Sad!

 

[Chrispy]

Already busts in my mind because they're not Aho. Sad!

But if Necas and Svech tie for the Art Ross, doesn't that make Aho the bust??

 

[Lempo]

Be more like Leafs fans, guys, who have all their guys be the best.

I'd like us claim the Real Big Three, but in reality our guys are rather like the Daltons.

 

[Svechhammer]

Be more like Leafs fans, guys, who have all their guys be the best.

I'd like us claim the Real Big Three, but in reality our guys are rather like the Daltons.

Can we claim 'The Big Three' for Slavin, Pesce and Hanifin? Maybe "The Big ThreeD"? And then go into every thread talking about how you can never break up the ThreeD?

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

But if Necas and Svech tie for the Art Ross, doesn't that make Aho the bust??

He’ll never be as good as Marner.

 

[vorbis]

Can we claim 'The Big Three' for Slavin, Pesce and Hanifin? Maybe "The Big ThreeD"? And then go into every thread talking about how you can never break up the ThreeD?

The Triangle triangle

 

[Navin R Slavin]

The Triangle triangle

It's all fun and games until we start skating 3D and 2F.

 

[Cane mutiny]

He’ll never be as good as Marner.

Yes, but who will, in all reality?

 

[My Special Purpose]

If we didn't have Necas coming in and we didn't already see that Aho can play C and we didn't land the #2 pick in the lottery, gifting us the top forward of the draft, I think we'd be exploring opportunities to move some of our defense for scoring help. But all of those things are happening, and there is a very good chance we are going to be able to reset and dramatically improve our offensive punch this year by doing nothing more than staying the course. If we still have faith that Hanifin can be the player we drafted him to be (and there is nothing to suggest he won't) then it would be a mistake to trade him this summer. For the first time in a long while, it certainly seems that staying the course, at least for anything but goalie, is the most prudent course of action for the team. (not to say Francis was at all justified in doing so. We literally had to win the lottery to be in this position, and he's a damn fool if that was his long term plan)

IMO, this is the perfect time to jolt the top end of the offense so Necas, Svechnikov and Zykov don't have to come in here and try to be offensive saviors. It's also the perfect time to trade Hanifin because he's an RFA who sees himself as a No. 1 and saw the contracts we gave to Slavin and Pesce last summer. Imma also disagree on the "nothing to suggest [Hanifin] won't" become the player we drafted him to be. He was pretty lousy after the All-Star break, which is something that shouldn't happen to a guy who just turned 21 and represented his team in the game. He got outworked on a fairly regular basis and in no way looks like a potential No. 1 d-man to me. On top of all that, his value is amazingly high and we're loaded with young guys at LD.

IMO, he's far from a sure thing for the top pairing, but we can trade him as a potential stud.

 

[vorbis]

It's all fun and games until we start skating 3D and 2F.

(un)luckily for me, when it comes to skating of any kind, I'm a solid 4F

 

[bleedgreen]

I think Hishier is a more dynamic skater with quicker hands, I don’t think Svech will create as much overall offense, though I do think he’ll be more physical and tougher to play against.

 

[Lempo]

Can we claim 'The Big Three' for Slavin, Pesce and Hanifin? Maybe "The Big ThreeD"? And then go into every thread talking about how you can never break up the ThreeD?

 

[Vagrant]

if you're scaling back your expectations of svechnikov because you expect him to be a hurricane, allow yourself some excitement. he's going to be very, very good and he's the clear cut pick at number 2 to the extent that it would be incredibly shocking if carolina deviated from consensus far enough to consider anyone else if they keep the pick, which seems like a foregone conclusion.

so much has changed in prospect development that it's almost unfair to compare this generation of 18 year old players to even the previous 10 years versions in terms of the immediacy of success. the fact that you have prospects already training year round for hockey, eating proper diets, consulting with nutritionists, training with current nhl players, etc. has made 18 year old players so physically advanced that it's just not a problem for most of them to jump straight in if they have the talent. plus, the less physical style of play and the emphasis on skating and creativity that the league is moving towards has mitigated the risk. it's hard to think of the last prospect that came up and was just so physically not ready for the league that you felt fear for their life in an almost literal sense the way you did in the 90's when a prospect made his debut. it's just a different time. eric staal looked like the next time he walked into a gym would be the first time when we drafted him and that was just 2003. a lot of these prospects are shaving a year off their development if not more by getting mentally and physically ready for 82 games by training like a professional. the cost is that they're shaving it off the back end of their careers by physically exhausting their capabilities with the intensity of the workouts. svechnikov is a high work rate kid and he's physically already there to produce in the nhl. he just needs experience at this point.

with that said, whatever team gets svechnikov gets 50 points from him next year and that feels like a conservative estimate. the analytics say he could be decade special.

 

[Lucky Lindy]

Weird, less than a month left until Svechnikov is a member of the Carolina Hurricanes.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Weird, less than a month left until Svechnikov is a member of the Carolina Hurricanes.

It could be argued that at that time the Canes would have 2 of the top 10 prospects in the league. What a time to be alive.

 

[Svechhammer]

It could be argued that at that time the Canes would have 2 of the top 10 prospects in the league. What a time to be alive.

I don't think its unrealistic to say this is the most talented core of young players this franchise has possibly ever had. With Svech and Necas, we have 2 of the best prospects in the league, on top of a couple of the better young forwards just below that elite generational level (Aho, TT) on top of 3 of the better young defenders in the league (Slavin, Hanifin, Pesce). You should be able to build a team with legit staying power around that kind of core. The fact we have them all either during or a year or 2 removed from their ELC is pretty crazy.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

The Nechnaho line.

 

[MinJaBen]

Weird, less than a month left until Svechnikov is a member of the Carolina Hurricanes.

Who are we trading to the Habs to get the 3rd pick? I mean, after we take Tkachuk with the #2oa. I won't believe we won't screw this up until the pick after us has been made.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I don't think its unrealistic to say this is the most talented core of young players this franchise has possibly ever had. With Svech and Necas, we have 2 of the best prospects in the league, on top of a couple of the better young forwards just below that elite generational level (Aho, TT) on top of 3 of the better young defenders in the league (Slavin, Hanifin, Pesce). You should be able to build a team with legit staying power around that kind of core. The fact we have them all either during or a year or 2 removed from their ELC is pretty crazy.

If only we could get a competent f***ing goalie...

 

[BB88]

It could be argued that at that time the Canes would have 2 of the top 10 prospects in the league. What a time to be alive.

It could also be argued that at that time the Canes would have 2 of the top 10 biggest busts of the future.

Aho- Svec, what could have been.
Honestly, that should be an exciting duo, and a great fit.