2018 Hall of Fame Ballot released (Vlad, Chipper, Thome & Hoffman are in)

[Neutrinos]

Does DH-ing make hitters better?

Edgar's stats took a big jump the year ('95) he essentially became a full-time DH

I have a tough time saying Edgar should be in, when someone like Delgado fell off the ballot after just 1 year of eligibility

Perhaps Delgado's original anthem protest with the Mets cost him some votes, who knows?

 

[robert terwilliger]

or maybe delgado was a good hitting first baseman in the time where every team had one.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

or maybe delgado was a good hitting first baseman in the time where every team had one.

Also Edgar beats him in WAR by about a bazillion. He was just a better hitter than Delgado anyway.

 

[Voight]

Does DH-ing make hitters better?

Edgar's stats took a big jump the year ('95) he essentially became a full-time DH

I have a tough time saying Edgar should be in, when someone like Delgado fell off the ballot after just 1 year of eligibility

Perhaps Delgado's original anthem protest with the Mets cost him some votes, who knows?

If the induct Ortiz (who took steroids) instead of Edgar, that would be a criminal offence.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

If the induct Ortiz (who took steroids) instead of Edgar, that would be a criminal offence.

Sorry, when was that again?

 

[Voight]

Sorry, when was that again?

2003, the year he coincidentally went from average player to offensive juggernaut

 

[Terry Yake]

Does DH-ing make hitters better?

Edgar's stats took a big jump the year ('95) he essentially became a full-time DH

I have a tough time saying Edgar should be in, when someone like Delgado fell off the ballot after just 1 year of eligibility

Perhaps Delgado's original anthem protest with the Mets cost him some votes, who knows?

yeah in all honesty, i wouldn't like seeing martinez get in while guys like delgado and walker don't

and delgado didn't protest the anthem. he sat in the dugout for a few games during the singing of god bless america and most people never even knew about it

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

2003, the year he coincidentally went from average player to offensive juggernaut

That's the same test that had a bunch of false positives on it and the validity of the test is totally in quesiton. The same test where we have no idea what banned substances were tested positive for on it so it might not have even been PED's but instead like an allergy medicine or something? That's the failed test you're talking about?

 

[robert terwilliger]

ortiz tested positive for something. the only problem is that nobody knows what it was since they never specified in the mitchell report nor on any of the tests. a lot of legal supplements triggered positive tests back then.

ortiz never failed a test again and estimated at one point that he'd been tested over 80 times in 11 years.

i think some people need to let things go.

 

[TheDanceOfMaternity]

Ah yes, the annual Edgar doesn't get in thing. The writers can vote for as many people as they want, no?

 

[Voight]

Ah yes, the annual Edgar doesn't get in thing. The writers can vote for as many people as they want, no?

Max of 10

 

[DoyleG]

 

[Neutrinos]

There's no argument for Edgar over Walker

 

[Bjorn Le]

I find it hilarious all 15 voted for Clemens but 2 of them decided there was a reason to not include Bonds.

Vizquel getting three more votes than Walker is unspeakable levels of absurd.

There's no argument for Edgar over Walker

Didn't you know? If you played for the Colorado Rockies you are expressly forboden from making the Hall of Fame. Writers who violate this principle do not pass go, do not collect $200.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

How does one vote for Clemens and not Bonds too?

 

[Voight]

Didn't you know? If you played for the Colorado Rockies you are expressly forboden from making the Hall of Fame. Writers who violate this principle do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Hopefully Tulo or Arenado make it one day

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Hopefully Tulo or Arenado make it one day

Tulo is gonna have to have a hell of a resurgence to make the HOF. Ages 22-29 he was certainly well ahead of the curve but he's been like replacement level the last two years with his injuries (even more so than usual) and when he's been on the field he hasn't been close to his peak. Not impossible to turn it around but he's not close to a lock by any means.

 

[Voight]

Tulo is gonna have to have a hell of a resurgence to make the HOF. Ages 22-29 he was certainly well ahead of the curve but he's been like replacement level the last two years with his injuries (even more so than usual) and when he's been on the field he hasn't been close to his peak. Not impossible to turn it around but he's not close to a lock by any means.

I don't think he'll make it either, so at this point its going to be 20 something years before a Rockie (Arenado) is in the hall. If Walker doesn't make it in.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

I don't think he'll make it either, so at this point its going to be 20 something years before a Rockie (Arenado) is in the hall. If Walker doesn't make it in.

Helton has a case but he doesn't have any milestone numbers and I'm sure they will hold Coors field against him as well.

 

[Say Hey Kid]

Mussina has a higher WAR than Ryan, Glavine, Carew, Gehringer, Schilling, Bagwell, Rose, and Brooks Robinson.

 

[MS]

Anyone who votes for Hoffman should have their privileges revoked, and then be beaten with a bat for being so utterly clueless.

Would be the worst induction of the past 50 years. At least Bruce Sutter popularized a new pitch that changed the sport.

 

[Neutrinos]

Anyone who votes for Hoffman should have their privileges revoked, and then be beaten with a bat for being so utterly clueless.

Would be the worst induction of the past 50 years. At least Bruce Sutter popularized a new pitch that changed the sport.

I think if you're going to induct relievers, Hoffman has as good a case as anyone not named Rivera

He has a pair of 2nd place finishes for the Cy Young, and he's the NL's all-time leader in saves (2nd all-time to only Rivera)

What more do you want a closer to do?

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

I think if you're going to induct relievers, Hoffman has as good a case as anyone not named Rivera

He has a pair of 2nd place finishes for the Cy Young, and he's the NL's all-time leader in saves (2nd all-time to only Rivera)

What more do you want a closer to do?

Be a better pitcher? Would you let Dan Quisnberry in? Because they're basically the same pitcher. Quisnberry was maybe better actually

 

[MS]

I think if you're going to induct relievers, Hoffman has as good a case as anyone not named Rivera

He has a pair of 2nd place finishes for the Cy Young, and he's the NL's all-time leader in saves (2nd all-time to only Rivera)

What more do you want a closer to do?

No reliever not named Rivera has a case. Or even close.

Hoffman has 28 career WAR. He had a worse career and contributed less to his teams than AJ Burnett.

It's like if the NHL invented a stat for goalies called Spot Start Wins where the goalie won a game without playing the one before or after, and then inducted a backup like Bunny Laracque into the HHOF because he was the all-time leader in SSWs. It's absurd.

What do I want him to do? Throw 3000 innings. Or maybe do something in the postseason. Not be essentially a backup player who is horribly overrated because of a made-up stat.

 

[robert terwilliger]

i want him to be better. otherwise, we're opening the door for a lot of relief pitchers while barricading the door for dh's.

and those two cy top twos are a joke. he finished ahead of kevin brown in 98 by throwing 73 innings. brown threw 257 innings of 164 era+ and finished third. maddux threw 251 innings of 187 era+ and finished fourth.

in 06 he finished second and wasn't even the best relief pitcher in his own division or the national league. saito beat him in every category but saves and got a single vote.