2018 Assassination Thread

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I'll go ahead and get this started (please ignore or close this thread if you think this is too early).

Rosters (From the roster thread)

Red Fisher Conference

Jim Robson division
overpass - Ottawa Senators
BenchBrawl - Montreal Canadiens
Sprague Cleghorn - Algerie

Foster Hewitt division
29GoalHoglund - Brampton Beavers
ResilientBeast - Edmonton Oilers
rmartin65 - New York Americans

Louis Magnus division
Voight - Amarillo Bulls
Claude the Fraude - Winnipeg Jets
Stoneberg & markrander87 - Halifax Citadels

Sam Pollock division
Namba 17 - Portage Lakes Hockey Club
Johny Engine - Guards Athletic Association
VanIslander - Worcester Railers

Jim Coleman Conference

Bob Cole division
Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
Darth Yoda - Pominville Estacades
TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils

Rene Lecavalier division
Importer Exporter - Pittsburgh Bankers
Habsfan18 - Vancouver Millionaires
Toronto Trades - Port Stanley Sailors

Thomas D. Green division
Iceman - Stockholm Rockets
papershoes - Kenora Thistles
jarek - Kingsman Secret Agents

William Northey division
tinyzombies - N.D.G. Maroons
kruezer - Seattle Metropolitans
Velociraptor - HC Kunlun Red Star


Assassinations Done
rmartin65- New York Americans: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
Importer Exporter- Pittsburgh Bankers: 1
Sturminator- ATD Guru: 1
kreuzer- Seattle Metropolitans: 1, 2
jarek- Kingsman Secret Agents: 1
Namba 17- Portage Lakes Hockey Club: 1
overpass- Ottawa Senators: 1, 2

Assassinations Received
Namba 17- Portage Lakes Hockey Club: 1
jarek- Kingsman Secret Agents: 1
ResilientBeast- Edmonton Oilers: 1, 2
overpass- Ottawa Senators: 1, 2
Iceman- Stockholm Rockets: 1, 2
rmartin65- New York Americans: 1, 2, 3
Sprague Cleghorn- Algerie: 1, 2, 3
 
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New York Americans

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Coaches: Anatoli Tarasov, Billy Reay
Captain: Boris Mikhailov
Alternate Captains: Sid Abel, Anze Kopitar, Brad Park

Paul Kariya-Stan Mikita-Boris Mikhailov
Sid Abel-Steven Stamkos-Rod Gilbert
Gordon Roberts-Anze Kopitar-Ace Bailey
Dave Balon-Don Luce-Blair Russel

Spare Forwards: Lynn Patrick, LW, Terry O'Reilly, RW

Borje Salming-Brad Park
Babe Siebert-Bob Goldham
Vasili Davydov-Joe Hall

Spare Defense: Lars-Erik Sjoberg

Bernie Parent
Sergei Bobrovsky

PP1
Stamkos-Mikita-Mikhailov
Kariya-Park

PP2
Roberts-Abel-Gilbert
Salming-Hall

PK1
Luce-Bailey
Salming-Goldham

PK2
Kopitar-Dave Balon
Siebert-Park

Well, I am sure every GM says it this time of year, but I have to say it- I am really excited about this team.

Coaching and Leadership
This has historically been a weaker part of my teams, but not this year; Tarasov and Reay fit well with my team- an attacking team with a strong defense- with Mikhailov and Abel leading on the ice and in the locker room, I don’t think we have any concerns on that front.

1st Line
This is one of the strongest lines in the draft, in my opinion. Offensively, it has it all- 2 very capable puck carriers that can beat you with a pass or a shot in Kariya and Mikita to go with puck-winning and defensive ability in Mikita and Mikhailov. VsX isn’t the end-all-be-all, but this unit has a 7 year score of 278.7 (if you give Mikhailov an 86, which is roughly the same score as Iginla. I think he should be higher, but I will make that case at another time). As far as negatives- it is not a very physical line. Mikita and Mikhailov are pretty ornery and won’t back down from anyone, but this line wont be a physically punishing unit.

2nd Line
I haven’t run the numbers for all of the teams, but again, this unit has to be one of the more offensively potent 2nd lines out there, with a 7-year VsX of 253.4, with the potential to increase with Stamkos’ current season- it is basically a suped-up GAG line, with Abel playing the ‘driver’/’digger’ role (as he did in real-life) and defensive safety-valve. Stamkos brings top-notch sniping and underrated playmaking, while Gilbert does the same thing he did alongside Ratelle and Hadfield. Everyone can pass (to varying degrees), and everyone can score. I should add that Abel will take the lion’s share of faceoffs. The downside to this line is that I don’t think it is very strong defensively, nor, like the top line, will it be a physically punishing squad. While I don’t think Stamkos and Gilbert are bad defensive players, they don’t seem to be much more than average in that respect. Abel is above average, but still, the unit as a whole is below average in that regard.

3rd Line
Building around Kopitar, my 3rd line is predicated on strong 2-way play. Kopitar has to be one of the upper-tier 2 way 3rd line centers at this point (in terms of total offensive and defensive package), and Roberts and Bailey add additional size and ability to the unit. Getting VsX out of the way (and giving Roberts a 74, as per a number I saw thrown about last year)- 217.7, not including the bump that Kopitar is going to get this year. Each player is well-above average in size, and while maybe not a punishing line, they can each play the body well and effectively.

4th Line
This line is mainly for defensive situations. It could use more physicality, but I think in terms of skill and ability, this line is above average among the other 4th lines in the league.

Spares
It is unfortunate that most people (I assume) pay little attention to spares, because I think I landed 2 players here that could very easily be regulars; Patrick in particular should be a very solid second-liner, but his extreme dislike of the physical game relegates him to spare-status in a draft this size. However, because he is so talented, I have no problems with him taking over for Kariya when Kariya is injured. O’Reilly adds some muscle without being useless offensively. I didn’t draft a center because I have a couple wingers who played center- Abel and Russel can both shift to center.

1st Pairing
While I missed out on one of the elite number 1 defensemen, in a draft this size Park is still an average to above-average one who is very well-rounded. Salming is a low-end number 1/elite number 2 who is also pretty well rounded, so this should be one of the better 1st pairings in the league. Simply put, it is a plus pairing across the board- defensive ability, physicality, skating, passing, and shooting.

2nd Pairing
I follow up my 1st pairing with another strong unit, with Siebert being a high-end number 3/low-end number 2, and Goldham being a solid number 4. Siebert brings the physicality and offensive skills, while Goldham is the stay-at-home shot blocker with a good outlet pass. Stylistically, I really like this pairing.

3rd Pairing
Again, I think I hit on meshing styles, in much the same way as I did on my second pairing- Davydov plays the role of defensive safety-valve (though many people have written about his passing and skating abilities), while Hall plays the role of offensive driver with a (wicked) mean-streak.

Spare
Sjoberg is an undersized defender but brings a physical presence and strong offensive game. He is a spare, but I don’t have a problem with him on my bottom pairing in the event of injury.

Goaltenders
I am below average here, I wont try to argue the point. However, Parent is not weak to the point that I think he puts my team at a significant disadvantage, especially in the playoffs (where Parent shined). Bobrovsky is a bit of a mercurial case, with very high highs and pretty low lows. However, few backups can boast of 2 Vezina’s/1st Team All-Star nods and 2 Top-5 Hart voting finishes in a 30 team league. His playoff record is quite poor… but I (or rather, Tarasov and Reay) wont be starting our backup in the playoffs. Bobrovsky is there to spell Parent in the regular season, and to keep Parent fresh for the playoffs. Bobrovksy certainly has the record for that.

PP
I think my PP units are above average, but not elite. On my top unit, Mikita, Park and Kariya should be able to drive defenses crazy finding the open shooter (ideally Stamkos or Park), with Mikhailov provind screens and getting greasy garbage goals. The second unit is set up in much the same way, with Gilbert, Salming and Siebert (or Hall, I haven’t really decided) distributing the puck to each other or Roberts, and Abel being the net-front presence.

PK
Like my PP units, I think my PK is pretty strong all the way around. Luce is one of the best, and Kopitar is easily a top PK player who I have slumming it on the second unit. The defensemen are all above-average as PKers as well, with Salming, Goldham and Davydov being well-noted shot blockers.
 

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Was going to post my roster, but I see you're linking to them in the OP.
 
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Namba 17

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Portage Lakes Hockey Club
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Coach: Pat Burns


PP 2
Michel Goulet - Marty Barry - Bill Mosienko/Joe Primeau
Lester Patrick - Ott Heller

PK 1
Mark Messier - Larry Aurie
Willie Mitchell - Dave Burrows

PK 2:
Syd Howe - Joe Primeau

Nicklas Lidstrom - Guy Lapointe

Estimated min per game, forwards

PlayerESPPPKTotal
Mark Messier130417
Smokey Harris130013
Bill Mosienko*113/0**014/11**
Syd Howe130316
Marty Barry133016
Larry Aurie130417
Michel Goulet133016
Denis Savard134017
Odie Cleghorn130013
Dany Heatley*94013
Joe Primeau70/3**310/13**
Tim Kerr74011
Totals1382114
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* Heatley can take some Mosienko's minutes, especially in D-zone starts.
** If second PP needs a passer, Primeau can play there instead of Mosienko.

Estimated min per game, defencemen

PlayerESPPPKTotal
Nicklas Lidstrom174324
Guy Lapointe174324
Lester Patrick163019
Ott Heller163019
Dave Burrows130417
Willie Mitchell130417
Totals921414
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Why do I think, that my team should win this ATD:

1. I have the most balanced team in this ATD:

1.1. Each position on my team either elite or at the very least above average. I have no any weak link in my team:

a) I have the best top-4 D on this ATD. First, ANY of my top-4 D equally good offensively and defensively. There is no such a group on any other team – they have either great offensive D with questionable on ATD-level defense (Coffey, Karlsson) or great defensive D without offence (Hitchman, Chara). Second, my top-4 consists of the best possible players: Lidstrom is an elite #1, Lapointe is great #2, Lester Patrick is an elite #3 and Ott Heller is a very good/great #4. I can think about only one team in the entire ATD with the same top-4 D quality – TML with Bobby Orr - Tim Horton and Carl Brewer - Allan Stanley pairs, but these top 4 is way worse offensively and TML has much worse goaltending. Another top-2, which is on par with mine is Howe – Bourque… ant that’s probably it.
While my bottom pair is not the best overall, it consists of two top-shutdown D of all time – smth, that a lot of 3-d pairs lack – they often have at least on clear defensive liability, which needs to be sheltered. But it’s ATD and no one can be sheltered here – almost any player is all-time best. I have no problems to have my bottom pair against ANY top-line on this ATD.

b) I have the best center’s depth on this ATD. No team has such a group of C: Messier, Barry, D.Savard, J.Primeau. The only team, that could have smth similar was Pittsburgh Bankers, but after IE moved Stewart to LW they are not any more.

c) I have an elite PP1 and one of the best PP2. My PP 1 consists of all-time elite Kerr, Lidstrom and Lapointe with addition of all-time great Heatley and Savard. My PP2 has all-time great Goulet, Barry and L.Patrick.

d) I have the best PK defensemen’ combination on this ATD. Mitchell is top-3 PK D of all-time, while any other top-3 are elite PK D as well.
Any of Messier, Aurie, S.Howe and Primeau was prized for their PK in real life.

e) My coach won more Jack Adams Trophy than any modern coach. He did it with 3 different teams, so he proved, that he can work with any team. He won these trophys while league was changing style of play, many new players came from Eastern Europe and there were much more teams, than it was in 06 era. So, he won it in the most competitive time of the NHL (or one of the most). Dynasties years are long gone and coaches of his days couldn’t count on super rosters any more. That’s why I don’t think he was that much worse (or any worse at all) than such a dynasties coaches like Blake or Imlach.
His style is well-suited to my players – he payed a lot of attention to defense, being not defense-only coach. And my team has no floaters (or almost no) – every player can play defense and Burns know how to play it the most effective way.

f) I have above average starter in net. The main knock to Benedict is the comparatively weaker competition, but he dominated the field that much, that it can’t diminish his greatness: he led his league in GAA 10 times, led his league in shutouts 10 times, led his league in wins 8 times, set post season shutout record twice, is 4th All-time in post season shutouts and was the all-time leader for 80 years, set Playoff Shutout record in one series (finals) with three (stands today), set Playoff Shutout record with consecutive shutouts with three (stands today). In 1919-20, his 2.66 goals-against mark was 2.13 goals better than the league average. That same season he was the ONLY goalie to record a shutout (he had 5). I can’t see anything, that makes him worse than Gardiner or Brimsek or even Vezina.
But, which is more, my back-up is an elite back-up on this ATD. I’ll have no problem to rest my starter or in case he will be injured. My combo Benedict - Lumley is either the best or one of the best on this ATD.

g) I have one of the best captains in history. My captain’s alternatives could have been captains themselves in any other team.

1.2. My lines are very well-balanced:
Smokey Harris – Messier – Mosienko has the following points finishes:
1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 7, 10, 10, 10, 11, 12, 13 - 2, 3, 5, 5, 7, 10, 12, 12, 13, 15 - 5, 5, 7, 8, 9
Assists finishes:
1, 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 6, 9, 11, 11, 16, 18 - 2, 3, 5, 6, 6, 8, 11, 13, 14, 17, 18 - 2, 7, 9, 10, 10
Goals finishes:
2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 9, 9, 12, 13, 14, 16 - 8, 9, 9, 9, 14 - 2, 5, 6, 10, 10
So, this is great balance between assists and goals – everybody in this line can score a goal and everybody can make an assist, so, we may expect great passing game here.
Also, Heatley will play some shifts here, which will make this line even more goal-scoring threat.
Harris and Messier will fight in corners and along the boards, they can hit, they are two big bodies and they will create a space for Mosienko.
Both Harris and Messier were defensively responsible, both can drop their gloves.
S.Howe – Barry – Aurie have real life chemistry.
Anyone was two-way players, especially Syd and Aurie. Aurie can be “tough guy” for this line, providing defense and secondary scoring and passing, Howe is responsible for passing, scoring and defense and Barry is primary scoring threat with secondary assists and some defense. Syd is one of the best 2-nd line LW and Barry is one of the best 2-nd line C.
Goulet – D.Savard – Odie Cleghorn. This is by far the best and the most high-scoring 3-d line on this ATD. Savard is good 2-nd line C and he is clearly among the best (if not the best) 3-d line C here. Goulet is by far the best 3d liner, because he is good 1st line LW.
Goulet goals finishes (2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 9) match Savard assists finishes (2, 3, 3, 6, 7, 12, 18) perfectly. Both defensively responsible, both great skaters. Goulet will fight in corners and along boards. Odie Cleghorn is another good scorer (goal scoring finishes in NHA and NHL are: 1, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 7, 8, 9), but, which is more sufficient to us, he is tough guy who will defense Savard if needed. Icing the cake his stickhandling abilities – it should be nightmare for any defense to play against both Savard and O.Cleghorn in the same line. Both Goulet and Cleghorn are big bodies, which compensates Savard’ size.
Heatley – J.Primeau – Kerr
The best and by far the most scoring 4th line on this ATD. Heatley is good 1st liner, Primeau can be 2nd liner or elite 3d liner. Basically, he was Oates of his days. In real life Primeau played with two high-scoring wingers, doing all the dirty job for them. This line is created exactly like his real life line was – Heatley goal-scoring finishes are 2, 5, 6, 8, 8, 9, Kerr goal-scoring finishes are 2, 3, 3, 6, 9. Both need exactly the player Primeau is – great hard-work passer. And don’t think, that Kerr or Primeau were PP specialists only – Heatley ES goal-scoring finishes are 2, 7, 8, Kerr’s: 2, 6, 7. Both never played with such a passing monster as Primeau, so, we can expect them do even better than this. Also, Primeau will benefit from them as well, because both Heatley and Kerr were defensively responsible and Primeau will get the help he lacked in his real life, which make him even more effective. Also, Kerr in the slot with Heatley’s hard shot with Primeau feeding Heatley should be deadly. Both Heatley and Kerr were big bodies, which compensates comparatively small Primeau’s frame.
Considering, that Kerr will be injured from time to time, I have a perfect replacement for him in Shalimov. Shalimov was great scorer, great goal-scorer and used to play in a line with big high-goalscoring LW and hard-working C with great pass, so, even with Kerr absence my 4th line will lose very little.

1.3. I don’t have any line with small and/or soft players only. In each of my line there is a player, who can drop gloves and defend his teammates. In first line small Mosienko plays with big Harris and Messier, in second line the comparatively small Aurie is an enforcer himself, in third line there is tough Odie Cleghorn, in 4th line Kerr and Heatley are big fellows.
If it’s not enough and I expect some bad actions against my guys I can dress King Kong Korab, who is a legitimate fighter, being in the same time a pretty good defenseman/LW himself. I can use Korab both as 6th D or 4th line LW (in the last case Heatley will move to the first line and Mosienko can be benched).

1.4. I can repeat it once more – my top 4 D consists of Ds who were great BOTH defensively and offensively. It adds another scoring threat to my high scoring lines. There is no such a top 4 D in the entire ATD.

2. I have the most impressive scoring depth on the whole ATD. Each of my lines can score. I have Heatley, who is good enough to be 1st liner in my 4th line, Goulet and Savard in my 3d line. Even my role players – Aurie and O.Cleghorn are legitimate scoring threats. I don’t have offensive black holes like Gainey or Lehtinen in my roster. Any of my top4 D is high scoring defenseman.

3. Having such a scoring depth allows me to let all my players have almost the same amount of ice time. The most using forwards will play about 17 min per game. It allows me to maintain a higher tempo than any other team can afford and have my men more rested at the end of games and, which is more sufficient, during the season and PO series. I won’t drain my top players forcing them to play top ES, PP and PK minutes. My PK forwards wont be used in PP and viseverse. My bottom D pair is my top PK pair, which gives them enough time to catch their breath.
I can’t buy typical explanation “they used to play heavy minutes in real life”. It’s ATD with the best possible players of all time and your top-players won’t be rested enough.

4. My team won’t spend much time in penalty box, because it doesn’t have any high-penalized players. But I have players who can drop gloves if needs.

5. My team should be great in play-off, because it has a lot of great PO performers. Let’s see what do I have PO considered:
1st line: Harris – elite, Messier – one of the best in history, Mosienko - average
2nd line: S.Howe - great, Barry – elite, Aurie – elite
3d line: Goulet – great, D.Savard – elite, O.Cleghorn – good
4th line: Heatley – great, J.Primeau – good, Kerr – great
1st pair: Lidstrom – elite, Lapointe - elite
2nd pair: L.Patrick – elite, Heller - elite
 

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Kingsman Secret Agents

General Managers:
jarek and peskypenguin4

Head Coach: Art Ross
Assistant Coach: Arkady Chernyshev

Captain:
Rod Langway
Assistant Captains: František Pospíšil, Bob Nevin

Cy Denneny - Frank Nighbor - Patrick Kane
Vladimir Krutov - Mickey MacKay - Bob Nevin
Sergei Kapustin - Frank Fredrickson - Václav Nedomanský
Vic Hadfield - Don McKenney - Jerry Toppazzini

Rod Langway - Pierre Pilote
František Pospíšil - Doug Mohns
Nikolai Sologubov - Ted Green

Ken Dryden
Alec Connell

PP1: Denneny - Nedomanský - Kane - Mohns - Pilote
PP2: Krutov - Fredrickson - MacKay - Pospíšil - Sologubov

PP extras: Nighbor, Kapustin, McKenney

PK1: Nighbor - Nevin - Langway - Pospíšil
PK2: MacKay - Toppazzini - Pilote - Green

PK extras: Krutov, Fredrickson, McKenney, Mohns, Sologubov

Extra Skaters: Pete Mahovlich, C/LW, Randy Carlyle, D, Konstantin Loktev, RW
Estimated Minutes Per Game, Forwards

PlayerESPPPKTotal
Frank Nighbor160420
Patrick Kane145019
Cy Denneny125017
Vladimir Krutov142016
Bob Nevin120416
Vaclav Nedomansky124016
Frank Fredrickson123015
Mickey MacKay102315
Sergei Kapustin120012
Jerry Toppazzini80311
Vic Hadfield8008
Don McKenney8008
1382114
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Denneny will see limited ES minutes in defensive zone draws, in favour of Krutov

Estimated Minutes Per Game, Defensemen

PlayerESPPPKTotal
Pierre Pilote165223
František Pospíšil153422
Rod Langway160521
Doug Mohns154018
Ted Green150318
Nikolai Sologubov152017
921414
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Why do I think, that my team should win this ATD:

1. I have the most balanced team in this ATD:

1.1. Each position on my team either elite or at the very least above average. I have no any weak link in my team:

a) I have the best top-4 D on this ATD. First, ANY of my top-4 D equally good offensively and defensively. There is no such a group on any other team – they have either great offensive D with questionable on ATD-level defense (Coffey, Karlsson) or great defensive D without offence (Hitchman, Chara). Second, my top-4 consists of the best possible players: Lidstrom is an elite #1, Lapointe is great #2, Lester Patrick is an elite #3 and Ott Heller is a very good/great #4. I can think about only one team in the entire ATD with the same top-4 D quality – TML with Bobby Orr - Tim Horton and Carl Brewer - Allan Stanley pairs, but these top 4 is way worse offensively and TML has much worse goaltending. Another top-2, which is on par with mine is Howe – Bourque… ant that’s probably it.
While my bottom pair is not the best overall, it consists of two top-shutdown D of all time – smth, that a lot of 3-d pairs lack – they often have at least on clear defensive liability, which needs to be sheltered. But it’s ATD and no one can be sheltered here – almost any player is all-time best. I have no problems to have my bottom pair against ANY top-line on this ATD.

b) I have the best center’s depth on this ATD. No team has such a group of C: Messier, Barry, D.Savard, J.Primeau. The only team, that could have smth similar was Pittsburgh Bankers, but after IE moved Stewart to LW they are not any more.

c) I have an elite PP1 and one of the best PP2. My PP 1 consists of all-time elite Kerr, Lidstrom and Lapointe with addition of all-time great Heatley and Savard. My PP2 has all-time great Goulet, Barry and L.Patrick.

d) I have the best PK defensemen’ combination on this ATD. Mitchell is top-3 PK D of all-time, while any other top-3 are elite PK D as well.
Any of Messier, Aurie, S.Howe and Primeau was prized for their PK in real life.

e) My coach won more Jack Adams Trophy than any modern coach. He did it with 3 different teams, so he proved, that he can work with any team. He won these trophys while league was changing style of play, many new players came from Eastern Europe and there were much more teams, than it was in 06 era. So, he won it in the most competitive time of the NHL (or one of the most). Dynasties years are long gone and coaches of his days couldn’t count on super rosters any more. That’s why I don’t think he was that much worse (or any worse at all) than such a dynasties coaches like Blake or Imlach.
His style is well-suited to my players – he payed a lot of attention to defense, being not defense-only coach. And my team has no floaters (or almost no) – every player can play defense and Burns know how to play it the most effective way.

f) I have above average starter in net. The main knock to Benedict is the comparatively weaker competition, but he dominated the field that much, that it can’t diminish his greatness: he led his league in GAA 10 times, led his league in shutouts 10 times, led his league in wins 8 times, set post season shutout record twice, is 4th All-time in post season shutouts and was the all-time leader for 80 years, set Playoff Shutout record in one series (finals) with three (stands today), set Playoff Shutout record with consecutive shutouts with three (stands today). In 1919-20, his 2.66 goals-against mark was 2.13 goals better than the league average. That same season he was the ONLY goalie to record a shutout (he had 5). I can’t see anything, that makes him worse than Gardiner or Brimsek or even Vezina.
But, which is more, my back-up is an elite back-up on this ATD. I’ll have no problem to rest my starter or in case he will be injured. My combo Benedict - Lumley is either the best or one of the best on this ATD.

g) I have one of the best captains in history. My captain’s alternatives could have been captains themselves in any other team.

1.2. My lines are very well-balanced:
Smokey Harris – Messier – Mosienko has the following points finishes:
1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 7, 10, 10, 10, 11, 12, 13 - 2, 3, 5, 5, 7, 10, 12, 12, 13, 15 - 5, 5, 7, 8, 9
Assists finishes:
1, 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 6, 9, 11, 11, 16, 18 - 2, 3, 5, 6, 6, 8, 11, 13, 14, 17, 18 - 2, 7, 9, 10, 10
Goals finishes:
2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9, 9, 9, 12, 13, 14, 16 - 8, 9, 9, 9, 14 - 2, 5, 6, 10, 10
So, this is great balance between assists and goals – everybody in this line can score a goal and everybody can make an assist, so, we may expect great passing game here.
Also, Heatley will play some shifts here, which will make this line even more goal-scoring threat.
Harris and Messier will fight in corners and along the boards, they can hit, they are two big bodies and they will create a space for Mosienko.
Both Harris and Messier were defensively responsible, both can drop their gloves.
S.Howe – Barry – Aurie have real life chemistry.
Anyone was two-way players, especially Syd and Aurie. Aurie can be “tough guy” for this line, providing defense and secondary scoring and passing, Howe is responsible for passing, scoring and defense and Barry is primary scoring threat with secondary assists and some defense. Syd is one of the best 2-nd line LW and Barry is one of the best 2-nd line C.
Goulet – D.Savard – Odie Cleghorn. This is by far the best and the most high-scoring 3-d line on this ATD. Savard is good 2-nd line C and he is clearly among the best (if not the best) 3-d line C here. Goulet is by far the best 3d liner, because he is good 1st line LW.
Goulet goals finishes (2, 4, 4, 5, 6, 9) match Savard assists finishes (2, 3, 3, 6, 7, 12, 18) perfectly. Both defensively responsible, both great skaters. Goulet will fight in corners and along boards. Odie Cleghorn is another good scorer (goal scoring finishes in NHA and NHL are: 1, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 7, 8, 9), but, which is more sufficient to us, he is tough guy who will defense Savard if needed. Icing the cake his stickhandling abilities – it should be nightmare for any defense to play against both Savard and O.Cleghorn in the same line. Both Goulet and Cleghorn are big bodies, which compensates Savard’ size.
Heatley – J.Primeau – Kerr
The best and by far the most scoring 4th line on this ATD. Heatley is good 1st liner, Primeau can be 2nd liner or elite 3d liner. Basically, he was Oates of his days. In real life Primeau played with two high-scoring wingers, doing all the dirty job for them. This line is created exactly like his real life line was – Heatley goal-scoring finishes are 2, 5, 6, 8, 8, 9, Kerr goal-scoring finishes are 2, 3, 3, 6, 9. Both need exactly the player Primeau is – great hard-work passer. And don’t think, that Kerr or Primeau were PP specialists only – Heatley ES goal-scoring finishes are 2, 7, 8, Kerr’s: 2, 6, 7. Both never played with such a passing monster as Primeau, so, we can expect them do even better than this. Also, Primeau will benefit from them as well, because both Heatley and Kerr were defensively responsible and Primeau will get the help he lacked in his real life, which make him even more effective. Also, Kerr in the slot with Heatley’s hard shot with Primeau feeding Heatley should be deadly. Both Heatley and Kerr were big bodies, which compensates comparatively small Primeau’s frame.
Considering, that Kerr will be injured from time to time, I have a perfect replacement for him in Shalimov. Shalimov was great scorer, great goal-scorer and used to play in a line with big high-goalscoring LW and hard-working C with great pass, so, even with Kerr absence my 4th line will lose very little.

1.3. I don’t have any line with small and/or soft players only. In each of my line there is a player, who can drop gloves and defend his teammates. In first line small Mosienko plays with big Harris and Messier, in second line the comparatively small Aurie is an enforcer himself, in third line there is tough Odie Cleghorn, in 4th line Kerr and Heatley are big fellows.
If it’s not enough and I expect some bad actions against my guys I can dress King Kong Korab, who is a legitimate fighter, being in the same time a pretty good defenseman/LW himself. I can use Korab both as 6th D or 4th line LW (in the last case Heatley will move to the first line and Mosienko can be benched).

1.4. I can repeat it once more – my top 4 D consists of Ds who were great BOTH defensively and offensively. It adds another scoring threat to my high scoring lines. There is no such a top 4 D in the entire ATD.

2. I have the most impressive scoring depth on the whole ATD. Each of my lines can score. I have Heatley, who is good enough to be 1st liner in my 4th line, Goulet and Savard in my 3d line. Even my role players – Aurie and O.Cleghorn are legitimate scoring threats. I don’t have offensive black holes like Gainey or Lehtinen in my roster. Any of my top4 D is high scoring defenseman.

3. Having such a scoring depth allows me to let all my players have almost the same amount of ice time. The most using forwards will play about 17 min per game. It allows me to maintain a higher tempo than any other team can afford and have my men more rested at the end of games and, which is more sufficient, during the season and PO series. I won’t drain my top players forcing them to play top ES, PP and PK minutes. My PK forwards wont be used in PP and viseverse. My bottom D pair is my top PK pair, which gives them enough time to catch their breath.
I can’t buy typical explanation “they used to play heavy minutes in real life”. It’s ATD with the best possible players of all time and your top-players won’t be rested enough.

4. My team won’t spend much time in penalty box, because it doesn’t have any high-penalized players. But I have players who can drop gloves if needs.

5. My team should be great in play-off, because it has a lot of great PO performers. Let’s see what do I have PO considered:
1st line: Harris – elite, Messier – one of the best in history, Mosienko - average
2nd line: S.Howe - great, Barry – elite, Aurie – elite
3d line: Goulet – great, D.Savard – elite, O.Cleghorn – good
4th line: Heatley – great, J.Primeau – good, Kerr – great
1st pair: Lidstrom – elite, Lapointe - elite
2nd pair: L.Patrick – elite, Heller - elite

It's a bad idea to make outlandish and indefensible claims. When you say "I have the best X", it just convinces people to look hard and prove you wrong.
 

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So I guess I'll make the case for my team here:

- 3 lines that could work as checking lines. First line mostly because of Nighbor, but the 2nd line has 2 guys who are known elite defensively, and another guy who, based on mostly circumstantial evidence due to his PK'ing is probably at least a plus defensively. The 4th line, between McKenney and Toppazzini should be able to handle bottom units fairly effectively. All 3 of these lines are also legit counter attacking threats so the scoring lines they're up against won't get off easy once they lose the puck.

I would expect Ross to mostly use the MacKay line as a shut down unit with the other two serving in a secondary capacity.

- A super charged 3rd scoring line that will get on defenses fast and pummel them with their physicality. It doesn't have much defensive value but that is not the purpose of this line. Art Ross had a very similar style of line with his Cowley lines in real life, except mine is way, way more physical than those lines were.

- Very strong group of defensemen despite not having an elite #1. We're looking at an average #1, slightly above average #2 and then 3-6 are all well above average to elite in their roles, especially the Sologubov - Green pairing which is probably the best 3rd pair in the draft. None of these defensive pairs have any obvious holes either as each boasts at least 1 guy who can carry the puck at a high level and there are no defensive liabilities either. This is probably the best group of defensemen I've ever assembled in the ATD and I am very proud of what I was able to do here.

- Obviously very good goaltending behind a group of skaters that should do very well in their own end. My team will be very hard to score on this time around.

- Without looking too deeply I'd expect my PK to be one of the better ones in the draft, if not one of the best. Krutov and Toppazzini could be 1st unit PKers here and I have them on my 2nd unit.
 

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- Without looking too deeply I'd expect my PK to be one of the better ones in the draft, if not one of the best. Krutov and Toppazzini could be 1st unit PKers here and I have them on my 2nd unit.

I do like your PK a lot.

I'm not sure how much I buy Russian guys on the PK yet - even Maltsev on my own team. Were they the best in Russia? Probably... but how they ranked world-wide is what really matters.
 

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It's a bad idea to make outlandish and indefensible claims. When you say "I have the best X", it just convinces people to look hard and prove you wrong.
1. After I make a claim I make a reason why do I think so. I don't understand what are you talking about.
2. I will be happy if people look hard. Probably, I'll get some assasination after all. Last year I wrote a lot of my thoughts about other teams and got none about mine.
 

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1. After I make a claim I make a reason why do I think so. I don't understand what are you talking about.
2. I will be happy if people look hard. Probably, I'll get some assasination after all. Last year I wrote a lot of my thoughts about other teams and got none about mine.

OK then, lets start from the top; your first line.... scanning the roster page, I quickly picked out 6 wingers that I don't think belong anywhere near a top line, and BOTH of your wingers made that group of 6.
 

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I do like your PK a lot.

I'm not sure how much I buy Russian guys on the PK yet - even Maltsev on my own team. Were they the best in Russia? Probably... but how they ranked world-wide is what really matters.

Even if that's true, I think he's comfortable in a 2nd unit PK role. He's my 4th most used PKer, and even if you don't necessarily buy him there, you can just consider MacKay would play those minutes instead.
 

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Even if that's true, I think he's comfortable in a 2nd unit PK role. He's my 4th most used PKer, and even if you don't necessarily buy him there, you can just consider MacKay would play those minutes instead.

I would just put MacKay there anyway. Krutov on your 3rd unit.

Having Krutov play 19 minutes and MacKat 12 is a bit off anyway.
 

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I’m interested in finding out more information for the non-NHL Soviets when it comes to PK credentials. I placed Firsov on my 2nd PK unit after reading he was certainly capable.

Unless I missed it, there doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of info out there.
 

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I’m interested in finding out more information for the non-NHL Soviets when it comes to PK credentials. I placed Firsov on my 2nd PK unit after reading he was certainly capable.

Unless I missed it, there doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of info out there.

There is tons of info. Batis did a game by game analysis of the Soviet PKs in every international tournament they played in for some period of time. Unless you believe the Soviets' competition was terrible, you have to believe that these are credible credentials for their ability to PK in the ATD.

Here is the study: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threa...ards-during-the-1960-1990-time-frame.2432151/
 
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I do like your PK a lot.

I'm not sure how much I buy Russian guys on the PK yet - even Maltsev on my own team. Were they the best in Russia? Probably... but how they ranked world-wide is what really matters.

Considering how well the Soviet penalty kill did statistically against some of the greatest powerplay units ever assembled I think that it is fair to believe that the top Soviet penalty killers should rank high also world-wide. With that said I think that there is one important thing to take into account when using Soviet players on the penalty kill here which is the style and tactic of the Soviet penalty kill which largely was built on forechecking and puck possession. So it is probably important to try to put the Soviet PK greats on units which will play a suitable style for them. For example if a unit plays a penalty killing style largely based on forechecking and puck possession there are not many players that I would choose ahead of guys like Makarov or Krutov but if you have a unit with a more conservative play the box and try to get the puck deep as soon as you touch it approach then many of the Soviet PK greats may not perform as well as they can even if they of course could do those things as well since it obviously is impossible to always keep the opponents out of your own zone no matter how great you are when it comes to forechecking and puck possession.

Here is a post regarding the Soviet penalty killing performance against Team Canada and the NHL All-Stars.

Soviets versus Canada/NHL (Summit Series 1972, Canada Cup 1976, Challenge Cup 1979, Canada Cup 1981, Canada Cup 1984, Rendezvous 1987, Canada Cup 1987)
USSR: 8 shorthanded goals forward, 14 powerplay goals against, goal differential -6
Canada/NHL: 1 shorthanded goal forward, 19 powerplay goals against, goal differential -18

And here is the tournament by tournament breakdown.

Summit Series 1972
USSR: 3 shorthanded goals forward, 2 powerplay goals against, goal differential +1
Canada: 1 shorthanded goal forward, 7 powerplay goals against, goal differential -6

Canada Cup 1976 (1 USSR-Canada game)
USSR: 0 shorthanded goals forward, 1 powerplay goal against, goal differential -1
Canada: 0 shorthanded goals forward, 0 powerplay goals against, goal differential 0

Challenge Cup 1979
USSR: 1 shorthanded goals forward, 2 powerplay goals against, goal differential -1
NHL: 0 shorthanded goals forward, 3 powerplay goals against, goal differential -3

Canada Cup 1981 (2 USSR-Canada games)
USSR: 1 shorthanded goal forward, 1 powerplay goals against, goal differential 0
Canada: 0 shorthanded goals forward, 3 powerplay goals against, goal differential -3

Canada Cup 1984 (2 USSR-Canada games)
USSR: 0 shorthanded goals forward, 1 powerplay goal against, goal differential -1
Canada: 0 shorthanded goals forward, 2 powerplay goals against, goal differential -2

Rendezvous 1987
USSR: 0 shorthanded goals forward, 2 powerplay goals against, goal differential -2
NHL: 0 shorthanded goals forward, 1 powerplay goal against, goal differential -1

Canada Cup 1987 (4 USSR-Canada games)
USSR: 3 shorthanded goals forward, 5 powerplay goals against, goal differential -2
Canada: 0 shorthanded goals forward, 3 powerplay goals against, goal differential -3
 

jarek

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I would just put MacKay there anyway. Krutov on your 3rd unit.

Having Krutov play 19 minutes and MacKat 12 is a bit off anyway.

Sure. The logic makes sense. I also felt that playing MacKay that little was off as well.
 

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Coach: Toe Blake

Patrik Elias (A) --- Cyclone Taylor --- Charlie Conacher
Sweeney Schriner --- Norm Ullman --- Cecil Dillon
Ed Sandford --- Cooney Weiland --- Corey Perry
Tony Leswick--- Derek Sanderson --- Ron Stewart

Ivan Johnson --- Doug Harvey (A)
Ebbie Goodfellow (C) --- Cy Wentworth
Bobby Rowe --- Art Duncan (A)

Hugh Lehman

Hap Holmes

Extra: Jack Adams (LW), Art Chapman (C), Bruce MacGregor (RW/C), Viktor Kuzkin (D)

PP1: Schriner - Ullman - Conacher - Taylor - Harvey

PP2: Elias - Weiland - Perry - Goodfellow - Duncan
PK1: Sanderson- Dillon - Johnson - Harvey
PK2: Leswick - Stewart - Goodfellow - Wentworth
PK3: Weiland - Elias

Estimated Minutes Per Game, Forwards

PlayerESPPPKTotal
Cyclone Taylor155020
Charlie Conacher155020
Patrik Elias152017
Norm Ullman145019
Cecil Dillon140418
Sweeny Schriner145019
Cooney Weiland102012
Corey Perry102012
Ed Sandford7007
Derek Sanderson70411
Ron Stewart70310
Tony Leswick100313
Totals1382614
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*Notes*
Taylor is playing the point on my first power play unit. Leswick is playing on our dedicated checking line but will see heavy time as a shadow against top right wings.

Estimated Minutes Per Game, Defensemen


PlayerESPPPKTotal
Doug Harvey185427
Ivan Johnson180422
Ebbie Goodfellow162321
Cy Wentworth160319
Art Duncan122014
Bobby Rowe120012
Totals92914
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OK then, lets start from the top; your first line.... scanning the roster page, I quickly picked out 6 wingers that I don't think belong anywhere near a top line, and BOTH of your wingers made that group of 6
I thought you talked about statement I made. And I never stated that I have the best 1st line in this ATD. Mostly because I don't have any.
I wrote about it, though and you can see it in my minutes per game table, that I don't have #1, #2 and #3 lines. All 3 of my top lines will play the same amount of ES time. You may call my #1 line my #3 line and vise versa.
I have an unorthodox approach to line building this ATD. Usually, GM has their best players in their 1st line, worse players in 2nd line, offensive black holes but great defensive players as 3d line and what remain - as 4th liners. I don't like it and I'm not gonna follow it. I don't have checking line at all. I see no need for it. I don't have special "scoring line" or "energy" line, because each of my lines is more than capable of scoring. And it's not like Carbonneau-capable - once in a year, but ATD capable. And each line has its "energy" player. I paid more attention to players' fit, than to players place in HOH "top-XXX" projects (it doesn't mean, that I didn't care about players' quality at all, I just don't think that it's that necessary to put your first taken LW into the first line, your 2-nd taken RW into the second line etc). I spread my talents through my WHOLE roster, not concentrated it into my 1st line. I guess, we need to rank the team as whole, not "my LW > your LW, I won".
That's why your estimation of my 1st line makes no sense to me - there 4 lines, playing hockey and if my 3 lines are better, than opposition's ones, I think I will be able to win a hockey game in real life.
 

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I thought you talked about statement I made. And I never stated that I have the best 1st line in this ATD. Mostly because I don't have any.
I wrote about it, though and you can see it in my minutes per game table, that I don't have #1, #2 and #3 lines. All 3 of my top lines will play the same amount of ES time. You may call my #1 line my #3 line and vise versa.

Usually, when a team spread out their offense, the lower lines look like they would dominate their counterparts in a head to head match-up. That doesn't appear to be the case here.

I have an unorthodox approach to line building this ATD. Usually, GM has their best players in their 1st line, worse players in 2nd line, offensive black holes but great defensive players as 3d line and what remain - as 4th liners. I don't like it and I'm not gonna follow it.

Hey, I'm all for trying new things. They don't always work out like you imagined though.

I don't have checking line at all. I see no need for it.

Who will you put out in key defensive situations?

I don't have special "scoring line" or "energy" line, because each of my lines is more than capable of scoring. And it's not like Carbonneau-capable - once in a year, but ATD capable.

That only works if you actually create 3 quality scoring lines. I don't think you did that. Outside of Syd Howe, the wingers are just way too weak. Messier is on an island.

I spread my talents through my WHOLE roster, not concentrated it into my 1st line. I guess, we need to rank the team as whole, not "my LW > your LW, I won".

Most people spread their talent out somewhat. How many teams have their top 3 forward picks all playing on their top line?

Lines are still going head to head with other lines. Just about every top line in the draft is going to take it to any of your lines - that shouldn't be a surprise. The problem for you comes when your next unit can't return the favour, which it looks like it won't against a lot of teams.
 

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Coach: Glen Sather
Assistant Coach: Frank Boucher
Captain: Scott Stevens
Alternates: Gordie Howe, Henri Richard

Forwards
Joe Malone - Darryl Sittler - Gordie Howe (A)
Paul Thompson - Henri Richard (A) - Theo Fleury
Brad Marchand - Neil Colville - Alexander Mogilny
Rusty Crawford - Dave Poulin - Rene Robert
John Tavares, Jack Darragh

Defence
Scott Stevens (C) - Larry Murphy
Babe Pratt - Art Coulter
Glen Harmon - Alex Pietrangelo
Hamby Shore

Goaltender
Vladislav Tretiak
Curtis Joseph

Powerplay

Darryl Sittler - Joe Malone - Alexander Mogilny
Babe Pratt - Gordie Howe

Paul Thompson - Henri Richard - Theo Fleury
Larry Murphy - Rene Robert

Penalty Kill

Rusty Crawford - Dave Poulin - Gordie Howe
Scott Stevens

Brad Marchand - Neil Colville - Theo Fleury
Art Coulter

Estimated Ice Time

Name
PosESPPPKTOT
MaloneLW154019
SittlerC124016
HoweRW155424
ThompsonLW133016
RichardC162119
FleuryRW133218
MarchandLW110314
ColvilleC111315
MogilnyRW113014
CrawfordLW70411
PoulinC70411
RobertRW73010
Total1382821187
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StevensLD190423
MurphyRD183021
PrattLD154019
CoulterRD160319
HarmonLD120012
PietrangeloRD120012
Total9277106
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Coach: Pat Burns


PP 2
Michel Goulet - Marty Barry - Bill Mosienko/Joe Primeau
Lester Patrick - Ott Heller

PK 1
Mark Messier - Larry Aurie
Willie Mitchell - Dave Burrows

PK 2:
Syd Howe - Joe Primeau

Nicklas Lidstrom - Guy Lapointe


I'll go ahead and start my assassinations (I am trying to do 2 a day, and that way I can hit each team) with this club, since it's GM did do a lot last year, and did not receive many (any? I can't remember and don't feel like digging through threads).

Coaching and Leadership
I have Burns as an average to below average coach in a 24 team league. He won't hurt you, but I don't think he will really tip the scales in your favor. I like your on-ice leadership though. Messier and Lidstrom are a good duo.

1st Line
I feel for Messier here, because he is on an island. Mosienko really, really shouldn't be on a first line, and Harris isn't much better. I think the pieces fit, but the talent is just not there.

2nd Line
I like this line a lot better; Howe and Barry are a good start to a 2nd line (even if I think you reached a bit for Howe), but Aurie leaves me unimpressed here.

3rd Line
Again, I think I like this line more than your top line; Goulet is a dynamite option here, especially with Savard (who doesn't bring much outside of offense), and Cleghorn fits pretty well too.

4th Line
While I am a huge fan of Heatley, I hate this line. Very little defensive ability, very little puckwinning ability. That said, it is certainly an offensively potent line, but I can't help but think that this line will give up more than it gets.

1st Pairing
I like it a lot, it is certainly one of the better pairings out there. Not much to say, you did a good job.

2nd Pairing
Less thrilled about this one. It's not bad, but I dont see anything special here. Patrick is a solid number 3, but certainly no more than that, and I think the same can be said about Heller in the number 4 spot. Stylistically they work, though.

3rd Pairing
This is a weak pairing, IMO. Solid defensively, but the forwards wont get any help whatsoever from this pairing.

Spares
I like your forwards (especially McGee), but I think you would have been better served grabbing a more offensive D-spare, considering your bottom pairing.

Goaltending
Unspectacular, but that isn't a bad thing. Benedict's raw numbers look good, but he was playing behind some darn good Ottawa teams. Once he left those, his numbers look rather pedestrian. How much of that was due to age, though?

Special Teams
Your first PP is incredibly dangerous, while your second unit is solid. I think you could find someone better than Heller, though, I dont think he belongs on a ATD PP, especially in a 24 team league. Your PK units strike me as about average. I dont really like the defense in the top pairing (though I get why they are there, to balance out the minutes so Lidstrom and Lapointe aren't playing straight 1st unit), and I must confess that I dont know much about Primeau's PK abilities.

3 things I like
1) 1PP
2) 1st Pairing
3) 3rd Line

3 things I don't like
1) Messier line
2) 3rd Pairing
3) 4th Line

Suggestion- what if you moved Heatley to 1RW, Mosienko to a spare, and Berenson to 4LW? Mosienko would be a high powered spare, but I like those lines a bit more that way.
 
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Kingsman Secret Agents

General Managers:
jarek and peskypenguin4

Head Coach: Art Ross
Assistant Coach: Arkady Chernyshev

Captain:
Rod Langway
Assistant Captains: František Pospíšil, Bob Nevin

Cy Denneny - Frank Nighbor - Patrick Kane
Vladimir Krutov - Mickey MacKay - Bob Nevin
Sergei Kapustin - Frank Fredrickson - Václav Nedomanský
Vic Hadfield - Don McKenney - Jerry Toppazzini

Rod Langway - Pierre Pilote
František Pospíšil - Doug Mohns
Nikolai Sologubov - Ted Green

Ken Dryden
Alec Connell

PP1: Denneny - Nedomanský - Kane - Mohns - Pilote
PP2: Krutov - Fredrickson - MacKay - Pospíšil - Sologubov

PP extras: Nighbor, Kapustin, McKenney

PK1: Nighbor - Nevin - Langway - Pospíšil
PK2: MacKay - Toppazzini - Pilote - Green

PK extras: Krutov, Fredrickson, McKenney, Mohns, Sologubov

Extra Skaters: Pete Mahovlich, C/LW, Randy Carlyle, D, Konstantin Loktev, RW


Coaching and Leadership
While I think Ross is a lower end coach, he fits your team very well, and Chernyshev is a good add as well. However, I think you are a bit light in terms of on-ice leadership; Langway is a worthy captain, but nothing special, and Nevin seems like an uninspired choice. I admit I dont know enough about Popisil's leadership attributes to really give my opinion.

1st Line
Strong line. Nighbor has to do the lion's share of the defensive work, but he can handle it. Kane is a great playmaking winger, while Denney can put pucks in the net and handle the rough stuff.

2nd Line
Nevin is an eyesore, and I am a big Nevin fan. He has no business on a second line, especially in a 24 team league. Krutov and MacKay are solid second liner, but I don't think they are strong enough to make this line anything more than average. I think this line could be bullied a bit as well.

3rd Line
Bah, I had Kapustin pegged as my 4LW, but it makes me happy that you put him in a position to succeed. But for as great as this line is offensively (for a third line), I think it is quite weak defensively- none of those players are particularly strong there, unless I am missing something.

4th Line
I dont really have a strong opinion on this one.

1st Pairing
Nicely done, this pairing has a bit of everything.

2nd Pairing
I like Popisil, but I don't like Mohns there. I dont know if that is my problem, though- I have a hard time pegging some players, Mohns is included in that group.

3rd Pairing
Looks like one of the better 3rd pairings out there, nice job. I want to know more about Sologubov's offensive ability though. I read through his bio, and there is some mention to it, but I would like to see more, such as where he ranked versus his contemporaries.

Goalies
Strong starter, strong backup.

Spares
Nothing looks amiss there, I think Mahovlich was a good pickup in particular.

Special Teams
Your PPs are on the weak-side, which is only natural considering your centers. On the flip side, your PK units are exceptionally strong.

3 things I like
1) 1st line
2) 1st pairing
3) 3rd Pairing

3 things I dont like
1) General offensive ability is a bit lacking
2) 2nd Pairing
3) On-ice leadership is weak

All-in-all, you have a strong team, jarek.
 

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Coach: Fred Shero

Ted Lindsay (A) - Edouard "Newsy" Lalonde (A) - Reginald "Hooley" Smith
Keith Tkachuk
- Jean Ratelle - Jari Kurri
Dean Prentice
- Ralph Backstrom - Dirk Graham
Adam Graves
- Mike Richards - Shane Doan

Denis Potvin (C) - Shea Weber
Mike Grant
- Jack Crawford
Kevin Lowe
- Yuri Lyapkin

Tony Esposito
Tom Barrasso



Spares: Ken Morrow, D - Gaye Stewart, LW - Doug Weight, C - Blake Wheeler, RW



PP1: Keith Tkachuk - Ted Lindsay - Newsy Lalonde - Denis Potvin - Shea Weber
PP2: Shane Doan - Jean Ratelle - Hooley Smith - Jari Kurri - Yuri Liapkin

PK1: Mike Richards - Dirk Graham - Denis Potvin - Jack Crawford
PK2: Dean Prentice - Ralph Backstrom - Kevin Lowe - Shea Weber​
 

jarek

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Coaching and Leadership
While I think Ross is a lower end coach, he fits your team very well, and Chernyshev is a good add as well. However, I think you are a bit light in terms of on-ice leadership; Langway is a worthy captain, but nothing special, and Nevin seems like an uninspired choice. I admit I dont know enough about Popisil's leadership attributes to really give my opinion.

1st Line
Strong line. Nighbor has to do the lion's share of the defensive work, but he can handle it. Kane is a great playmaking winger, while Denney can put pucks in the net and handle the rough stuff.

2nd Line
Nevin is an eyesore, and I am a big Nevin fan. He has no business on a second line, especially in a 24 team league. Krutov and MacKay are solid second liner, but I don't think they are strong enough to make this line anything more than average. I think this line could be bullied a bit as well.

3rd Line
Bah, I had Kapustin pegged as my 4LW, but it makes me happy that you put him in a position to succeed. But for as great as this line is offensively (for a third line), I think it is quite weak defensively- none of those players are particularly strong there, unless I am missing something.

4th Line
I dont really have a strong opinion on this one.

1st Pairing
Nicely done, this pairing has a bit of everything.

2nd Pairing
I like Popisil, but I don't like Mohns there. I dont know if that is my problem, though- I have a hard time pegging some players, Mohns is included in that group.

3rd Pairing
Looks like one of the better 3rd pairings out there, nice job. I want to know more about Sologubov's offensive ability though. I read through his bio, and there is some mention to it, but I would like to see more, such as where he ranked versus his contemporaries.

Goalies
Strong starter, strong backup.

Spares
Nothing looks amiss there, I think Mahovlich was a good pickup in particular.

Special Teams
Your PPs are on the weak-side, which is only natural considering your centers. On the flip side, your PK units are exceptionally strong.

3 things I like
1) 1st line
2) 1st pairing
3) 3rd Pairing

3 things I dont like
1) General offensive ability is a bit lacking
2) 2nd Pairing
3) On-ice leadership is weak

All-in-all, you have a strong team, jarek.

Thanks for the review! Some comments:

On-ice leadership: I'm surprised you feel this way because I felt I had a pretty strong leadership group. Specifically, Nevin captained the Rangers for 6 seasons from 1965-1971 and Pospisil was the captain of the Czech national team from 1972-1977. In line to take an A if necessary is Pierre Pilote, who captained the Hawks for 7 seasons as well. I didn't want to give him an A mainly because I wanted to spread them out a bit but not sure how much that really matters.

More importantly, I'm not that convinced that my group especially needs great leadership because there isn't really a guy on the team that seems to need reining in or anything like that. I mean, if you ranked my leadership group compared to others in this ATD, it's probably not better than average, but at the same time, I don't think my team will suffer for that.

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Nevin: Would it help at all if you thought of my 3rd line as my 2nd (scoring) line, and the MacKay line as the checking line? Because I believe that's mostly how Ross would deploy them. The idea that the second line will be bullied though, I don't agree with. Krutov's physicality is something he was known for, and Nevin worked the corners for Mahovlich and Kelly in real life. MacKay does need a bit of insulating but I don't think he's going to have a problem here. As checking lines go, I feel mine has some of the better firepower for a checking line and should be a threat to score when the puck gets retrieved.

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Defense on the third line: Agreed, it's a light spot, but I see this line dominating most lower units here. They are very fast and very physical. Kapustin has no information on anything about his defensive game while Nedomansky is a known negative. Fredrickson is definitely, at worst, a plus. In 1921 and 1923, his back checking was praised in some quotes BB dug up, and then there was this:

Frank Fredrickson was an accomplished defensive forward who, in a Stanley Cup finals of 1924-25, drew the role of checking the great Morenz. He did, too, and the Victoria Cougars triumphed 3 games to 1."

His all around game is praised multiple times in newspaper quotes as well. For my money he's a strong two-way player here based on the information available.

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Regarding Sologubov's offense, this is what I got:

Placements are points among defensemen unless otherwise noted.

USSR:

1950: 1st (233%)
1951: 2nd (83%)
1952: 1st (300%), 5th overall (41%)
1953: 1st (186%)
1954: 1st (171%)
1955: 1st (150%)
1956: 3rd (63%)
1957: 2nd (86%)
1958: 1st (160%)
1959: 1st (140%)
1960: 1st (125%)
1961: 2nd (75%)
1962: 1st (106%), 1st in assists (120%)
1963: 7th (67%), 1st in assists (117%)

WEC-A:

1955: 2nd (71%), 1st in assists (200%)
1957: 1st (171%), 8th overall (67%), 1st in assists (150%)

Olympics:

1960: 1st (129%), 1st in assists (133%)

To say that he was a man among boys in his league is a fair assessment, but he dominated in such absurd fashion that these statistics simply can't be ignored IMO. The guy was an excellent offensive player in his day, and he was praised by numerous NHL people for his probable ability to be a super star in the NHL that it lends a lot of credence to what he did.

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As far as Mohns, he does seem somewhat unspectacular, but as a #4 he's pretty strong here. Sturminator, in his latest assessment of the defensemen depth chart for the ATD, ranked him comparable to guys like Pulford, Hitchman, Wentworth, McCrimmon, etc.

I can try to go more in depth with this if necessary.
 
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