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If perry took off season serious for a change I feel he would be much better. Which is why I'm assuming Bob made the "something needs to change" comment when talking about perry.
Idk that its that simple... perry just has never been a good skater... and skating is what you need to succeed in todays NHL.... he cant fix that at this point in his career... hell get points because he plays with Getz and Rakell.... and knows what to do with the puck when its on his stick in front of the net... but its just going to get worse for him.... he might be able to be a 50 point player alongside Getz and Rakell... but id argue him on that line makes it a lot worse than it could be.
 
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Idk that its that simple... perry just has never been a good skater... and skating is what you need to succeed in todays NHL.... he cant fix that at this point in his career... hell get points because he plays with Getz and Rakell.... and knows what to do with the puck when its on his stick in front of the net... but its just going to get worse for him.... he might be able to be a 50 point player alongside Getz and Rakell... but id argue him on that line makes it a lot worse than it could be.

He can control is effort and physicality, especially on the boards. This whole season he's looked like he's playing pickup hockey... continuously caught up ice and when he gets the puck on the boards he shows no urgency and usually tries to make a cute play that doesn't work. I still think Perry has the ability to be a legit top winger if he improves some key areas, even without increasing his mobility, but I'm not betting on it.
 

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He can control is effort and physicality, especially on the boards. This whole season he's looked like he's playing pickup hockey... continuously caught up ice and when he gets the puck on the boards he shows no urgency and usually tries to make a cute play that doesn't work. I still think Perry has the ability to be a legit top winger if he improves some key areas, even without increasing his mobility, but I'm not betting on it.
I just don't see it anymore.... like sure his board work could be better hes pretty lazy in 1 on 1 battles tho.... but I think he really hurts rakell and getzlaf more than he helps them.
 

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He can work to improve his lower body and core strength which wont help with his edge work but will help his explosiveness, foot speed and drive. Young guys nowadays are a lot more familar with the weight room and plyometrics which is why you see all these young guys flying around out there. As an example, look at montour, whom im told is a beast in the weightroom. Supposedly he goes harder in the weight room than anyone else which is why he is so explosive out there.
 

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He can work to improve his lower body and core strength which wont help with his edge work but will help his explosiveness, foot speed and drive. Young guys nowadays are a lot more familar with the weight room and plyometrics which is why you see all these young guys flying around out there. As an example, look at montour, whom im told is a beast in the weightroom. Supposedly he goes harder in the weight room than anyone else which is why he is so explosive out there.
He could but he gets paid the same either way... he already has a rocket, cup, gold medals, memorial cup, hart trophy whats his motivation... at end of day he is still taking home a lot of money.
 
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The only part where we screwed up his development, IMO, is when we kind of forced him into the lineup 3 years ago. After we traded Maroon I mentioned it was a mistake to just shed depth in case of injuries. We had a few players go down and Ritchie had to play more than he should have IMO. He was very solid his 1st full season, and even though he struggled last season, I don't think it was wrong to leave him in NHL. GM, fans, coaches all just have to accept that young players are going to have ups and downs. I think there's a perception where people think an instant remedy is to send players down. While that can be useful, I think it depends on circumstance. Ritchie's issues, again IMO, never seemed to be about adapting to speed of the game. It was consistency and lack of discipline. I don't think sending him down to the AHL helps in those regards.
I think Ritchie played some of his best hockey this year. Presuming there's some semblance of order coming from the coaches next season I think we'll see a jump in his numbers next season, and in his consistency.
 

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Perry was by far the best winger not named Rakell on the top line this season.

Perry hurting the line? That's just ridiculous, he's the only winger (outside of Ritchie) who willingly goes to the net and causes issues in front of the goaltender opposed to a few of the Anaheim wingers who are happy to float around the perimeter (which isn't necessarily bad, but also the reason why certain line combinations were a disaster when tried last season).
 
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Perry was by far the best winger not named Rakell on the top line this season.

Perry hurting the line? That's just ridiculous, he's the only winger (outside of Ritchie) who willingly goes to the net and causes issues in front of the goaltender opposed to a few of the Anaheim wingers who are happy to float around the perimeter (which isn't necessarily bad, but also the reason why certain line combinations were a disaster when tried last season).
Perry floats around the ice completely.... hes the definition of a passenger on that line.
 
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Perry floats around the ice completely.... hes the definition of a passenger on that line.
If you think Perry just floats around the ice and thats it then I dunno what to tell you. He goes to the front of the net and absorbs more punishment then anyone else on the team, he may not be the Perry of old, but to call him a passenger on that line is just flat out wrong.
 

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If you think Perry just floats around the ice and thats it then I dunno what to tell you. He goes to the front of the net and absorbs more punishment then anyone else on the team, he may not be the Perry of old, but to call him a passenger on that line is just flat out wrong.
Yes all he is good for is going in front of the net and taking punishment... he doesnt back check, he doesnt forecheck... sure hes okay as an offensive specialist/pp option but thats about it... and im pretty sure rakell scored a good portion of his goals at the net mouth. Perry doesnt play a perimeter game, because he cant.
 

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Honestly, I am with Getz2perry, I don't see Perry going to the net like he used to. That being said, it did look like he was more willing later in the year. To me he looks like he is drifting out there, waiting for the puck.
 

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Perry is great eith the puck on his stick put pretty horrible without it because he is so slow. Id bet we could easily find someone to replace his production and give us more on the defensive side and forechecking.
 

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Perry is great eith the puck on his stick put pretty horrible without it because he is so slow. Id bet we could easily find someone to replace his production and give us more on the defensive side and forechecking.
Where do we easily find a 50-60 point winger without overpaying for some free agent that's going to fall off in the latter stage of their contact anyways?
 

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Well the idea there isn't about swapping Perry and Brouwer in the lineup, its about clearing salary. A deal centered around that might mean little or no retention while opening up $6+ million to spend, and that's just from a financial perspective.

where are you getting 6 million+ from? The difference in their cap hits is about 4 million, and that's with no retention on Perry. I think Perry at his contract is more valuable than Brouwer at his.
 

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Perry is great eith the puck on his stick put pretty horrible without it because he is so slow. Id bet we could easily find someone to replace his production and give us more on the defensive side and forechecking.
I don't think the team needs defensive help... we need people that can control the puck in the offensive zone and keep the puck from getting to our defensive zone.
 
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where are you getting 6 million+ from? The difference in their cap hits is about 4 million, and that's with no retention on Perry. I think Perry at his contract is more valuable than Brouwer at his.

I factored in only around a million in retention, I think, which might not be enough, but with Brouwer you can buy him out and the hit is only $1.5 million. Now, the Flames could also do this, but it'd probably be much more preferable to just ship him out.

Absolutely no question Perry at his contract is more valuable than Brouwer at his(Perry IMO is one of the more valuable "bad" contracts in the league). But with the buyout being manageable, whereas Perry's isnt, I think the space opened up is worth it.
 

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I factored in only around a million in retention, I think, which might not be enough, but with Brouwer you can buy him out and the hit is only $1.5 million. Now, the Flames could also do this, but it'd probably be much more preferable to just ship him out.

Absolutely no question Perry at his contract is more valuable than Brouwer at his(Perry IMO is one of the more valuable "bad" contracts in the league). But with the buyout being manageable, whereas Perry's isnt, I think the space opened up is worth it.

ah I getcha. That logic does make sense. I probably don't do it period, but I definitely don't do it if we have to retain on Perry as well. I get where you're coming from though.
 
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ah I getcha. That logic does make sense. I probably don't do it period, but I definitely don't do it if we have to retain on Perry as well. I get where you're coming from though.

Yeah I also think the only way you can do it is if you have something else lined up for that space. Otherwise it doesn't do a lot of good.

I also have been getting the feeling that Perry's seen as more valuable around the league than I and especially others give him credit for and that there are other potential deals that make this one seem almost laughable.
 
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But then that's just another Silverberg who alot of people are putting him as an odd man out

I think people are very wrong on that. I guess I get the sentiment and the logic but he's just so valuable I could never classify him as an odd man out. It's also funny, because his production in a sense makes him more valuable IMO. Like, if he produced like Mark Stone, he'd be getting paid in a year and we probably couldn't even afford him. Since he doesn't, I won't be surprised if he extends here for around $4.5 millon, especially if it's done quickly.

Then again, I might be just plain wrong in how I tiered guys. All the guys I've had in mind hit over 50 fairly often, just not 60. Guys like Galchenyuk, Skinner, Kreider if the Rangers are dumb enough to move him. I wouldn't mind a guy with Silfverberg-esque production, but that's not who I thought of at first.
 
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