Speculation: 2017 - 2018 Roster Discussion

[ParisSaintGermain]

This whole leadership committee thing is just dumb. OEL is obviously the guy.

Perhaps he is just not, rt. We all thought he would be (so straightforward - star player, soon to be renewed big contract, management would want to keep him feeling wanted/loved etc.) yet they have circled/tiptoeing around him all summer and pre-season.... So perhaps he is just not that guy, maybe that responsibility does not work for him?

Just a speculative thought obviously but things just don't add up on the captaincy front.

 

[ParisSaintGermain]

Vegas and their SIX alternates say hello.

Maybe Vegas is a different situation. This being a new team they would want to keep as many guys involved as possible, and this is a way to do it.

 

[ParisSaintGermain]

Out of Philly, I wish we had traded for Bellemare rather than for Cousins.

 

[AZviaNJ]

Per Craig:

• Perlini to IR
• Martinook practicing today
• Etem called up
• Cousins/Connauton not on the ice for practice

 

[rt]

Perhaps he is just not, rt. We all thought he would be (so straightforward - star player, soon to be renewed big contract, management would want to keep him feeling wanted/loved etc.) yet they have circled/tiptoeing around him all summer and pre-season.... So perhaps he is just not that guy, maybe that responsibility does not work for him?

Just a speculative thought obviously but things just don't add up on the captaincy front.

Leadership Hierarchy (as defined by letter selection and letter permanency)

Tier 1 (higher than Tier 2)
Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Niklas Hjalmarsson

Tier 2 (higher than Tier 3)
Brad Richardson
Alex Goligoski
Derek Stepan

Tier 3 (lowest tier)
Every single other player

Do you mean to tell me he's a good enough leader to be in Tier 1 but just not quite good enough that MGT/Coaching just couldn't decide between him and Hjalmarsson? They've identified OEL and Hammer as the two most superior leaders of all the other players on the team. How can OEL over Hammer not be a completely obvious move for half a dozen reasons? This was poorly handled. Tocchet and Chayka fumbled this.

 

[TheLegend]

Oh, I didn't realize that two of them were permanent and the other four alternated on the coach's whims. And that one was brand new to the team while the other is the longest serving player in the organization, the face of the franchise, far and away the team's best player and the guy that already does all of the things like ceremonial puck drops and is the guy all of the media immediately seeks out after tough losses because he's clearly the established leader of the team.

Actually it's three home and three away....

https://sinbin.vegas/golden-knights-name-six-yes-six-alternate-captains/

You're making more out of this than it really needs to be.

 

[Jakey53]

Actually it's three home and three away....

https://sinbin.vegas/golden-knights-name-six-yes-six-alternate-captains/

You're making more out of this than it really needs to be.

I agree with rt. Pick a C. There is enough disruption as it is.

 

[rt]

Actually it's three home and three away....

https://sinbin.vegas/golden-knights-name-six-yes-six-alternate-captains/

You're making more out of this than it really needs to be.

I was being sarcastic. I'm aware that it's 3 home and 3 away and I have ZERO problems with that. It makes sense. Our system doesn't. It's stupid.

 

[Heldig]

Very early but this team desperately needs a second scoring line. Huge Dvorak fan but he needs to generate more offense.

 

[CC96]

Very early but this team desperately needs a second scoring line. Huge Dvorak fan but he needs to generate more offense.

We can start by getting Duke the eff away from Cousins and Kempe.

 

[Heldig]

Looking at the Toronto model the Coyotes are needing a couple good veterans to help the young guys. Toronto had JVR, Kadri, Komorov and Bozak then went out and added Marleau.

They have good chemistry but having the two most talented players (Domi and Keller) playing with the only veteran centre seems like putting all our eggs in one basket.

 

[rt]

We can start by getting Duke the eff away from Cousins and Kempe.

Calling up Strome wouldn't hurt.

 

[Llewzaher]

I know that I will be in the minority here..... But I would really like to see Duclair swapped with Keller. I know it sounds insane ... But I have hopes that Domi and Duclair given some time would re establish their chemistry.

If it doesnt happen , then trade Duke. But lets see give him a chance and see what will happen.
Keller will make everyone around him better. So its not a huge deal moving him down. I would love to see Dvorak be the scorer he was in junior , and I think playing with Keller will boost Him and Perlini.

Still not convinced Strome becomes a star being on the 4th line. I would rather see him Dominate in the Ahl , rather than stay here and become a career third line checker.

Kind of thinking I would still like to see this .. ( Strome in the AHL .. good - hope he dominates. ) But rolling all 4 lines equally. The reason I want Keller with Dvorak and Perlini , is Keller can pass just as good as he can score.. and I really want to see Dvorak and Perlini start sniping in some goals..

Domi Stepan Duclair
Perlini Dvorak Keller
Crouse Richardson Fischer
Nook Cousins Reider

 

[RABBIT]

I think Dvorak would provide a steady, responsible presence between our two speedster/snipers, Perlini and Duclair. That would be an exciting line.

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[Mosby]

It's early, but Lawson Crouse is 2nd in the league with 17 hits.

Chicago's John Hayden is first place with 20.

Crouse is averaging 4.3 hits per game, which is basically double last year's 2.2.

 

[Matias Maccete]

It's early, but Lawson Crouse is 2nd in the league with 17 hits.

Chicago's John Hayden is first place with 20.

Crouse is averaging 4.3 hits per game, which is basically double last year's 2.2.

Angry crouse has been a sight to behold.

 

[BigDoaner]

The possibilities are endless...

 

[Ebb]

The possibilities are endless...

Well, it's not like he could so much worse than Stepan
Domi - Keller - Duclair (just for kicks)
Rieder - Dvorak - Stepan (keep step out of the circle)
Crouse - Richardson - Fischer
Martinook - whoever - whoever (I'm assuming Perlini is still out)

 

[SniperHF]

Stepan is playing about 21 minutes a game which is 2 and a half minutes more than he did last season. Probably pushing him a little too hard.

His fancy stats are solid and his line is putting up points.


I'm not opposed to trying Keller at C anyway, but our RW depth is so putrid we kinda need him there more.

 

[BigDoaner]

I wonder if strome was given a shot to play top 6 with more capable wingers during practice. I think he should have been given a game to prove otherwise

For our top 9, I would like to try:

Domi - Stepan - keller
Duclair - strome - Fischer
Crouse - Dvorak - rieder

 

[Bonsai Tree]

I wonder if strome was given a shot to play top 6 with more capable wingers during practice. I think he should have been given a game to prove otherwise

For our top 9, I would like to try:

Domi - Stepan - keller
Duclair - strome - Fischer
Crouse - Dvorak - rieder

I don't think that you get it. Great play wins out. With Strome and a couple of lug nut wings we'd be talking about how Strome shines despite his line mates.

Strome didn't shine. He played to the level of his wingers. That's why he's in the AHL.

 

[BigDoaner]

I’m cinfused. Are you telling me that all of the sudden our C depth outshine our winger depth?

 

[Bonsai Tree]

I’m cinfused. Are you telling me that all of the sudden our C depth outshine our winger depth?

Yea you are. I'm saying that a good player looks good regardless of who he plays with. In Strome's case, we'd see all those great passes to wings who do nothing with them. We'd see high quality shots when the puck is on his stick. We'd see great defensive plays.

 

[PhoPhan]

There's an emerging body of evidence that the most important factor for prospect development is quality of linemates, not usage or quality of competition. This is especially true for a playmaker, whose entire game is built around putting his linemates in a position to score. Strome needs good linemates to develop into the top six center we want him to become. If he's stuck with plugs at the NHL level, his development will stall or even regress.

The AHL is the right spot for him for now.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

There's an emerging body of evidence that the most important factor for prospect development is quality of linemates, not usage or quality of competition. This is especially true for a playmaker, whose entire game is built around putting his linemates in a position to score. Strome needs good linemates to develop into the top six center we want him to become. If he's stuck with plugs at the NHL level, his development will stall or even regress.

The AHL is the right spot for him for now.

Interesting. Where can I find this?