Line Combos: 2017-18 Roster Thread II - Massive changes not coming

[Ducks DVM]

That's great news. For our d pairings and our PP.

Does him being on the second unit with Montour mean Sami is the other guy at the point on the first unit? Or is that just wishful thinking and RC is still running the stupid four forward set up?

Vatanen isn't taking full practice yet I don't think.

 

[KelVarnsen]

Are we that stingy that we're sending down guys who are basically established NHLers to save a few bucks over the course of the season?

Absolutely. At least it is San Diego and not the east coast. I think they have to physically report so a drive to San Diego is better than a flight to Syracuse!!!

I remember a few years back we had a player flying back to the east coast every time the Ducks had 3 or more days off. That really would suck.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Anaheim has $445, 878 in Cap space. They're not even remotely ok.

 

[Duck Off]

Anaheim has $445, 878 in Cap space. They're not even remotely ok.

It's probably been asked before, but why are we not putting Kesler on LTIR? Doesn't that give you additional cap space?

 

[mightyquack]

I asked Stephens about it, and he said he thinks it was to "save some coin" so appears so.. I hope it's for needed cap space later on. Who knows though?

Can't wait to see what overpaid 3rd pairing / 4th line scrub we use it on next.

 

[Ducks DVM]

It's probably been asked before, but why are we not putting Kesler on LTIR? Doesn't that give you additional cap space?

It gives you a cap credit rather than additional Cap Space (semantics) of the amount over the Cap that the player would take you. Ideally you're right at the cap to use it. There's other fine details about the time to use it that I don't really understand, but that's probably why they haven't used it yet.

I'd also assume that shelling out 6M in salary for players who aren't on the ice isn't making management very happy.

 

[duxfan1101]

It's probably been asked before, but why are we not putting Kesler on LTIR? Doesn't that give you additional cap space?

You can only put someone on LTIR if you go over the cap. So if we were to call up another player, then we could put him on LTIR

 

[Duck Off]

Carlyle said that Hampus will definitely be with Manson when he comes back. Last year I was definitely against this, but Cam and Josh haven't had the greatest starts so I'm fine with. The downside is it looks like Bieksa will be paired with Fowler until Vatanen comes back, which hopefully isn't too far off.

 

[Paul4587]

Carlyle said that Hampus will definitely be with Manson when he comes back. Last year I was definitely against this, but Cam and Josh haven't had the greatest starts so I'm fine with. The downside is it looks like Bieksa will be paired with Fowler until Vatanen comes back, which hopefully isn't too far off.

He did pair Fowler with Montour at times last season. Hoping that's the case, Montour needs a competent partner. Although the thought of a Beauchemin Bieksa pairing is terrifying.

 

[Arthuros]

He did pair Fowler with Montour at times last season. Hoping that's the case, Montour needs a competent partner. Although the thought of a Beauchemin Bieksa pairing is terrifying.

We see that on the 2nd unit PP occasionally. I haven't made up my mind on whether that pairing is worse than Holzer - Bieksa.

 

[ekm01]

Pears on the ice for practice today, as per Kyle Shohara

 

[bsu]

Keep Bieksa as far away from Fowler as possible.

EDIT:
Eric Stephens @icemancometh 1m1 min
Pure guess but if Lindholm does play and lines up next to Manson as RC indicated, I'd think Fowler and Montour are a pair.

 

[Arthuros]

Keep Bieksa as far away from Fowler as possible.

EDIT:
Eric Stephens @icemancometh 1m1 min
Pure guess but if Lindholm does play and lines up next to Manson as RC indicated, I'd think Fowler and Montour are a pair.

And then we have a mangled mess of a bottom pairing with Megna, Holzer, and Bieksa rotating in, with Beauch on 5D. But I think overall, we're better off.

 

[bsu]

Montour needs freedom and Beauchemin as been ball & chain.

 

[bsu]

Having said that RC has had the d-pairs mixed up yesterday and today. Lindholm has skated with Montour a fair bit. (maybe if 4 & 42 stay).

 

[DavidBL]

It gives you a cap credit rather than additional Cap Space (semantics) of the amount over the Cap that the player would take you. Ideally you're right at the cap to use it. There's other fine details about the time to use it that I don't really understand, but that's probably why they haven't used it yet.

I'd also assume that shelling out 6M in salary for players who aren't on the ice isn't making management very happy.

From my understanding LTIR allows you to exceed the cap by the players cap it minus the amount of cap space available when they are put on IR. Most importantly though is that you do not accrue cap space on that LTIR. For instance if we had a fully healthy roster and say 3 mill in cap space left we would accrue cap space for the trade deadline based on 3 mill. But when players go on IR and are replaced we don't "regain" that cap space. For instance if we replace Kesler on the roster with a replacement player making a mill we do not accrue cap space at a rate of 8.875(3 mill +6.875 mill- 1 mill) but rather accrue as if we had 2 (3 mill - 1 mill) mill in cap space. The LTIR system really only benefits cap teams. With all our injuries we are acrueing cap space at a rate much smaller than we would if healthy. Which hurts our ability to add at the deadline.

 

[Duck Off]

Having said that RC has had the d-pairs mixed up yesterday and today. Lindholm has skated with Montour a fair bit. (maybe if 4 & 42 stay).

I'd like to see Lindholm and Montour paired up due to their success in the playoffs.

 

[DavidBL]

I'd like to see Lindholm and Montour paired up due to their success in the playoffs.

Me too. I'm not thrilled with Fowler Vatanen pairing. Fowler-Montour works better but I think Manson is the best equiped partner for Fowler.

 

[Ducks in a row]

When healthy I would like the following defense pairs
Fowler - Manson
Lindholm - Montour
Whoever is playing the best - Vatanen

 

[Paul4587]

Montour shouldn't be in the top 4 over Vatanen unless he ups his game with whatever new partner he gets when Lindholm is back. He's clearly going through some growing pains, it may be his partner or he may just be a sophomore who needs to be sheltered.

 

[bsu]

Montour has been solid (other then missing the net everytime he shoots) He has saved Beauchemin's ass multiple times on breakaways from being too slow or idiotic pinches.

 

[Paul4587]

Montour has been solid (other then missing the net everytime he shoots) He has saved Beauchemin's ass multiple times on breakaways from being too slow or idiotic pinches.

Except he's playing 2 on 1s poorly, is turning the puck over more than last year and generally looks like a promising but inexperienced young Dman. Part of that's his partner but part of it is growing pains. He's done nothing to justify playing in the top 4 over Vatanen who outside of last year has been a very good NHLer (and even last year he was still a guy who could eat a lot of minutes even if he was disappointing).

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Having said that RC has had the d-pairs mixed up yesterday and today. Lindholm has skated with Montour a fair bit. (maybe if 4 & 42 stay).

This is a Stephens tweet, by the way, not this guy's original observation.

 

[duxfan1101]

This is a Stephens tweet, by the way, not this guy's original observation.

A Stephens tweet? Are you sure that wasn't about the Dodgers?

 

[Trojans86]

Please give us lindholm montour and Manson Fowler. Great pairings in my opinion even if vats is the odd man out. However if they plan on moving vats at some point then leaving him on the 3rd pairing wouldn't help his trade value. I like vats on the pk and pp so maybe he will make up no tues there.