Rumor: 2015-2016 Season Trade Rumours & Proposals | Part V

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Engineer

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Talk about twisting words around to support your narrative.


A: The player is listed on that site incorrectly, Lol! because a wingers side is dictated by their handedness
B: Some players can play on the opposite side of their shot
A: But that isn't common, because natural side is better defensively
B: It's possible that we can play an elite winger on the opposite side, like we have done with Ryan
A: But Peewee hockey dictates wingers play on their natural side, so no.
B: Here is a list of NHL players who play their off side
A: But it's not very common, so no, you have no understanding of hockey
B: So you're saying we can't play a winger on their off side?
A: Defence always dictates the situation, I am 100% correct.

Talk about fighting that straw, man. Yikes.

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Burrowsaurus

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Why play him there though ??as pilgore pointed out his best all around season was him playing on the left side.

Let's say we acquire him. MacArthur comes back at full health. We play him on the Right to fill out our top 6. Are you cool with that
 

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Well you seemed quite sure i didnt ,in fact claiming that Loui Eriksson having his closest selke finish playing his ,off wing as listed .When in fact he was on he natural side as a left handed shooter

Your right, I'm wrong. We've already determined you know better than me.
 

topshelf15

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Talk about twisting words around to support your narrative.


A: The player is listed on that site incorrectly, Lol! because a wingers side is dictated by their handedness
B: Some players can play on the opposite side of their shot
A: But that isn't common, because natural side is better defensively
B: It's possible that we can play an elite winger on the opposite side, like we have done with Ryan
A: But Peewee hockey dictates wingers play on their natural side, so no.
B: Here is a list of NHL players who play their off side
A: But it's not very common, so no, you have no understanding of hockey
B: So you're saying we can't play a winger on their off side?
A: Defence always dictates the situation, I am 100% correct.

Talk about fighting that straw, man. Yikes.

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Here is a list of about 20 or so high scoring wingers that play their offwing,out of the 200 or so wingers that dont play their offwing :shakehead ,Ryan is a much better Lw than a RW and is far more productive there:shakehead.Eriksson,s best all around and selke nominated season ,came with him playing on the LW which is the exact way he shoots .

The rest is just nonsense:nod:
 

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But there are so clearly many exceptions. Hossa is one of the premier 2way wingers, and will probably be in the HHOF, and has played his entire career at RW despite being left handed. Kane is tearing up the league from his off wing. Frolik is a defensive specialist, playing his off wing. Havlat and Gaborik offensive specialists that played their off wing.

Some players are very effective, and sometimes more effective, playing the off wing. There are advantages and disadvantages to doing it, and theres only about 10-15% of the league that does it, but it's not taboo, or a reason to stay away from that player. If he's effective doing it, that's all that matters.

A lot of the Euros are amazing at both sides. I think it's because (traditionally) it was extremely rare to have natural right handed shots. Most of the old Soviet teams were pretty much all lefties.
 

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Iam not saying it doesnt happen ,hell Lindros could stick handle and shoot either way .It just not normally preferable ,because of the defensive issues it can lead too

But you've made it clear it didn't matter if the player is effective playing his offwing, you want nothing to do with it.

Eriksson has been great in Boston playing his offwing, but that's for some reason a red flag for you. Hossa has a HHOF career playing his off wing, would you scoff at him finishing his career here because he plays the Right side by shoots left?

The problem is you are too rigid, only wanting what is more common. who cares if somebody doesn't do it the common way so long as they are effective doing it. Rejecting the notion of acquiring Eriksson because he's left handed playing RW makes no sense. He's good at it, so it's worth looking into. The fact that he can also play LW makes it even better. Brodie plays RD and is left handed. I'd have no issues picking him up, because he's good at what he does.
 

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A lot of the Euros are amazing at both sides. I think it's because (traditionally) it was extremely rare to have natural right handed shots. Most of the old Soviet teams were pretty much all lefties.
RHD where as rare as the dodo bird just a short while ago .Pittburgh played with entire defensive corps of left handed shooting defensemen.Now it seems like its the opposite,which blows for us:cry:
 

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Here is a list of about 20 or so high scoring wingers that play their offwing,out of the 200 or so wingers that dont play their offwing :shakehead ,Ryan is a much better Lw than a RW and is far more productive there:shakehead.Eriksson,s best all around and selke nominated season ,came with him playing on the LW which is the exact way he shoots .

The rest is just nonsense:nod:

So your opinion has changed from players don't play their offside and that their handedness dictates their side - to some do - and now you claim players such as Ryan are better on their offside.


So you weren't 100% correct like you said, got it.

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Nac Mac Feegle

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RHD where as rare as the dodo bird just a short while ago .Pittburgh played with entire defensive corps of left handed shooting defensemen.Now it seems like its the opposite,which blows for us:cry:

'Merica. At least, that's the theory that was going around the last few years. Iirc, it was one fo the commentators in the World Juniors a few years ago that was talking about that. The popularity of both baseball and golf in the US was a direct correlation to more American kids shooting right handed.

With more Americans picking up the sport, the Yanks just naturally pick up the same side they use in baseball. Since most folks are naturally right handed, and bat right handed, they pick up right-shooting sticks.

So, in a big way, it's a good thing to see more cultures and cross training from other sports. It helps add to the 'stick' diversity in hockey.
 

topshelf15

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But you've made it clear it didn't matter if the player is effective playing his offwing, you want nothing to do with it.

Eriksson has been great in Boston playing his offwing, but that's for some reason a red flag for you. Hossa has a HHOF career playing his off wing, would you scoff at him finishing his career here because he plays the Right side by shoots left?

The problem is you are too rigid, only wanting what is more common. who cares if somebody doesn't do it the common way so long as they are effective doing it. Rejecting the notion of acquiring Eriksson because he's left handed playing RW makes no sense. He's good at it, so it's worth looking into. The fact that he can also play LW makes it even better. Brodie plays RD and is left handed. I'd have no issues picking him up, because he's good at what he does.
More about having ,4 right handed shots led by an all world RHD on offense .Was the root of this,we need more viable left handed options both in the defensive zone as well as the offensive zone .As far as Brodie goes he would probably be even better on his strong side
 

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So your opinion has changed from players don't play their offside and that their handedness dictates their side - to some do - and now you claim players such as Ryan are better on their offside.


So you weren't 100% correct like you said, got it.

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OK when did i ever say i was ever 100% correct ???I have never said players dont play their offwing .Its just not as common ,as players playing there natural side
 

The Lewler

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It's always been curious to me, the handedness when it comes to sports equipment.

We can all chime in here..

I'm right handed , but when it comes to sports:

Hockey : shoot LHD
Golf : hit LHD
Baseball : bat left / throw right

I'm always found it odd for right handed people to hit/swing/shoot right handed. That's part obviously because I'm the opposite, but also because I find with all those actions that hitting /swinging/shooting/stickhandling with a left stance engaged what I felt to be the strong side of my body.


Back to topic, I've now come to rest firmly in the camp of "we need a Top 4D over anything else barring massive gift horse".
 

topshelf15

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It's always been curious to me, the handedness when it comes to sports equipment.

We can all chime in here..

I'm right handed , but when it comes to sports:

Hockey : shoot LHD
Golf : hit LHD
Baseball : bat left / throw right

I'm always found it odd for right handed people to hit/swing/shoot right handed. That's part obviously because I'm the opposite, but also because I find with all those actions that hitting /swinging/shooting/stickhandling with a left stance engaged what I felt to be the strong side of my body.


Back to topic, I've now come to rest firmly in the camp of "we need a Top 4D over anything else barring massive gift horse".
Exact same,and yes agreed completely we need defense .Would be preferable if he could skate and move the puck well ,also being left handed would be another plus
 

Nac Mac Feegle

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It's always been curious to me, the handedness when it comes to sports equipment.

We can all chime in here..

I'm right handed , but when it comes to sports:

Hockey : shoot LHD
Golf : hit LHD
Baseball : bat left / throw right

I'm always found it odd for right handed people to hit/swing/shoot right handed. That's part obviously because I'm the opposite, but also because I find with all those actions that hitting /swinging/shooting/stickhandling with a left stance engaged what I felt to be the strong side of my body.

I'm a southpaw.

Hockey: RD, and right handed shot
Baseball: bat right / throw left
Golf: never tried

I always thought it was funny that I was backwards playing baseball as a kid. As soon as a parent saw that I threw left handed, they'd put me on the other side of the plate, and it never felt right.
 

Micklebot

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More about having ,4 right handed shots led by an all world RHD on offense .Was the root of this,we need more viable left handed options both in the defensive zone as well as the offensive zone .As far as Brodie goes he would probably be even better on his strong side

Sure, must be why even when not with Gio, he still plays the Right side. Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. Calgary hasn't even really tried him with Hamilton or Wideman (it's been since his sophomore year), but he got killed playing the Left side with Engelland last year, and did quite well playing the right with Russell.

I guess Hossa probably would have been better had he played LW too, right?

Oh the follie, we could have solved all our problems back in the early 2000's by just putting Hossa at his natural position,

I can just picture it now, Hossa on the Left side, Spezza in the middle and Alfie on the right, followed by Havlat on the Left side of Bonk and Smolinski playing the right side. But instead, we foolishly played our Lefthanded wingers on the right side for no apparent reason causing all sorts issues. Hossa would certainly be among the greatest LWers ever had any team thought to play him on the correct side.

I get not wanting to take a player that hasn't played their off side and force them into it, but when they've been successful in that role, that's all that matters.
 
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It's always been curious to me, the handedness when it comes to sports equipment.

We can all chime in here..

I'm right handed , but when it comes to sports:

Hockey : shoot LHD
Golf : hit LHD
Baseball : bat left / throw right

I'm always found it odd for right handed people to hit/swing/shoot right handed. That's part obviously because I'm the opposite, but also because I find with all those actions that hitting /swinging/shooting/stickhandling with a left stance engaged what I felt to be the strong side of my body.


Back to topic, I've now come to rest firmly in the camp of "we need a Top 4D over anything else barring massive gift horse".

It's always been about the way you rotate your waist for me. I throw with my right hand, and I twist my waist counter-clockwise (from the perspective of looking down from head to toe) when I throw the ball. Therefore, I swing a baseball bat right handed, shoot right, swing golf clubs right handed, play racket sports with my right hand and even shovel snow with my right hand on top, because all require the same waist rotation.

The dominant hand being on top for control was never the consideration for me, it just felt unnatural to rotate my body in the other direction.
 

Micklebot

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It's always been curious to me, the handedness when it comes to sports equipment.

We can all chime in here..

I'm right handed , but when it comes to sports:

Hockey : shoot LHD
Golf : hit LHD
Baseball : bat left / throw right

I'm always found it odd for right handed people to hit/swing/shoot right handed. That's part obviously because I'm the opposite, but also because I find with all those actions that hitting /swinging/shooting/stickhandling with a left stance engaged what I felt to be the strong side of my body.


Back to topic, I've now come to rest firmly in the camp of "we need a Top 4D over anything else barring massive gift horse".

I'm left handed, but throw right handed, catch left, bat right. I shoot right handed in hockey, golf right handed, but play pool (billiards) left handed, though I sometimes switch to shooting pool right handed rather shoot behind the back or get out the rake,
 
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