Falling into the "holy hell Capitals reached" type picks:
1. Ho Sang
2. Scherbak
3. Sanheim (maybe not so much)
1. Ho Sang
2. Scherbak
3. Sanheim (maybe not so much)
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SimplySensational
Heard of Hough
My extremely scientific basis was dudes generally ranked in the 20s and higher.
SimplySensational
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He does seem like he has some intriguing qualities projecting forward. And he seems like a decent kid.
Edit: decent hands as well.
Efactor
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I like that kid. If we could drop back a few slots, get him and a 2nd to spend on a boom bust type player. Yes please.
SimplySensational
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The capitals should really make the move to eliminate 'Center' as a forward position and call them all forwards.
You know how it is with the draft. Just depends on where one picks and the particular draft year.
Cush
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Guys who play like Douglas Murray or Anton Volchenkov in juniors rarely reach the NHL (and fewer still become useful players). I'm not particularly interested in guys like Peters or Englund in the earlier rounds. If you're going to be a quality player in the NHL, you're almost certainly going to be an impact on most areas of the ice in junior (including seeing powerplay time and putting up some points). Even Karl Alzner scored 47 points in 63 games in his draft year. If you're a 6'7" freak like Sam Morin, maybe it's worth the gamble. Otherwise, I'd pass on most "defensive defensemen" coming out of junior hockey.
Langway
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Five winger first round picks and running, though. They haven't selected a true non-winger in the first round since John Carlson six years ago. True, they haven't been able to develop centers for **** and traded their last two internally produced ones for not much but...c'mon.
I think they'll go safe and be mindful of that scarcity and their needs given some of the statements made by MacLellan. Maybe they'll trade down, maybe not but no more undisciplined pure skill seduction early unless it's a premium position. If McPhee were still around I'd have less hope that they'd avoid a Fiala or Perlini for a prospect that brings more facets of the game to the table. Fabbri/Larkin/McCann/Barbashev. Teh glue.
NobodyBeatsTheWiz
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Shea Weber in his pre-draft year: 2 goals, 16 assists in 70 games (WHL)
Duncan Keith in his pre-draft year: 3 goals, 12 assists in 41 games (NCAA)
Ryan Suter in his post-draft year: 3 goals, 16 assists in 39 games (NCAA)
Braydon Coburn in his pre-draft year: 3 goals, 16 assists in 53 games (WHL)
Marc Staal in his pre-draft year: 6 goals, 20 assists in 65 games (OHL)
Plenty of very good all-around defensemen in the NHL were pretty much no-or-little-offense players in their draft years.
There's also the younger crop of Jonas Brodin, Jarred Tinordi, and Erik Gudbranson who didn't show much offensively, but are turing into (varying levels of) nice players.
Hivemind
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Keith, Suter, and Brodin weren't playing in junior hockey. Weber was a late bloomer (wasn't even selected in the WHL draft), was a WHL rookie in his draft year, and was behind some older defensemen on the depth chart (namely Duncan Keith and Josh Gorges). All-in-all, a pretty atypical example.
Coburn and Staal are better examples, yet both put up double the production of Peters (not to mention Coburn begins to border on that Morin size I was talking about).
Can a defensive defenseman become a quality player in the NHL? Yeah. But it's the exception. I'd rather invest the early selections in more well-rounded defensemen.
Bolded=would not be surprised at all if this plays out.
I admit I fall in love with skill (probably why I love the russian player in general going way back). But imho it is impossible to teach compete. Thats is just like wired. I think all of us growing up playing sports/games remember those dudes that played hard and played to win. Despite his size from everything out there Fabbri seems to have that and be that kinda of dude.
NobodyBeatsTheWiz
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Re: Peters, he also played on a horrid offensive team. The leading scorer had 54 points and only 3 players were over 40. Last year, as an underager on a team with much more scoring depth, he had twice as many assists. Put him in a better situation this season and he puts up numbers like Coburn and Staal.
And I don't get the size thing. We've basically got two historical examples (Chara, Myers) of that mattering and a long list of busts (Valabik, Finley, Mihalik). Why should monstrously sized prospects be considered any safer
And I don't get the size thing. We've basically got two historical examples (Chara, Myers) of that mattering and a long list of busts (Valabik, Finley, Mihalik). Why should monstrously sized prospects be considered any safer
Hivemind
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Risk vs. Reward
It's not any safer, but the potential reward is higher. The hope is that they can continue to be that dominating presence on the back-end as a pro. Granted, it often ends between a bust and Jeff Schultz, but the Prongers, Myers, and Charas of the world entice you with the potential result.
Marshall
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For whatever reason, I like that Yingst will be at the draft with the Caps. Not sure if he has been included before or not, but shows a commitment to Hershey.
SimplySensational
Heard of Hough
Nylander says SEL or NHL, no junior hockey for him.
Hopefully this is seen as negative. Some teams would hate not being able to control his development and fear he could be sat in favor of older players in the SEL, which is very possible.
Hopefully this is seen as negative. Some teams would hate not being able to control his development and fear he could be sat in favor of older players in the SEL, which is very possible.
Langway
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MacLellan interview. Sounds like they'd pretty much like to move up for Fleury if possible as he mentions the three centers and two defensemen likely to be off the board. Very unlikely they'd be able to move up for one of the centers or Ekblad--the likely top four picks--absent a significant offer involving more than picks. Perhaps at 8-9-10 one of those teams would be willing to move down just for another pick should Fleury still be available. Not sure it's really worth 13+44 to move up for Fleury but that depends on how they value him, those second tier centers and what they may be able to get at 44. Clearly it would seem they at least value him as the second-best D (not mentioned by name but you'd have to think it's him).
If they don't move up they're open to perhaps moving back depending on how it shakes out. From a tiering standpoint it makes sense to move down unless there's perhaps a forward they really like (Fabbri?).
If they don't move up they're open to perhaps moving back depending on how it shakes out. From a tiering standpoint it makes sense to move down unless there's perhaps a forward they really like (Fabbri?).
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Good interview. I like Mike Vogel. BMac clearly is working to build the defense. It sounds like he has a plan. I am somewhat optimistic. He appears to recognize that the D is turrible as is. It should be an interesting offseason.
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