Prospect Info: 2014-2015 Rangers Prospects Thread *Part II* (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 1/19)

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It's not rocket science, with the Staal signing, most likely, only 2 of MSL, Hagelin and MZA will be staying. I think the smartest move would be to retain the players who help drive more offense in MSL and MZA. On top of that, Hagelin is a RFA and could garner a return of assets which the other 2 could not after the season as they are UFA's.

MSL + MZA + Assets from trading Hagelin > Hagelin + MSL/MZA

I just dont know if MSL really drives offense a lot TBH...he's right now more of a product of his linemates at ES than the other way around...his presence doesnt seem to make one bit of difference to them...in fact i'd argue most of the time he hurts them by losing board battles or turning the puck over on blind plays.

Hagelin is a safer player that can play anywhere in your lineup and almost never hurt you.

I'd keep Hagelin over MSL 10 times out of 10

Thats just me.

I think MSL is a PP specialist at this point...he's lethal there...for sure...but I think if you slotted MZA into that spot, you'd lose almost nothing offensively on your 1st pp unit...you might even get some more goals TBH.
 

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That's why the maturation of Fast has been so important and even if MSL takes a discount, say 3.5, they can't fit everyone.

Fast is fast but he's not as fast as Hagelin. Might not be enough money around for Zuccarello anyway. I'd absolutely hate to move Hagelin.
 

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I just dont know if MSL really drives offense a lot TBH...he's right now more of a product of his linemates at ES than the other way around...his presence doesnt seem to make one bit of difference to them...in fact i'd argue most of the time he hurts them by losing board battles or turning the puck over on blind plays.

Hagelin is a safer player that can play anywhere in your lineup and almost never hurt you.

I'd keep Hagelin over MSL 10 times out of 10

Thats just me.

I think MSL is a PP specialist at this point...he's lethal there...for sure...but I think if you slotted MZA into that spot, you'd lose almost nothing offensively on your 1st pp unit...you might even get some more goals TBH.

I agree. I like Marty but he's more of an opportunist and PP guy at this point. advanced stats do show that he seems to be pretty much a possession sink...gives up more shots against than gets shots for and he's kinda been like that for awhile. I would rather keep Hagelin and Zucc if possible rather than re-sign Marty for another $5 mill contract
 

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Rangers gave up Callahan and two first rounders including this year's for St. Louis. I just don't see them walking away from him if he's at all reasonable about his next contract which I suspect he will be. He's here by choice. How much room that leaves for Zuccarello and/or Hagelin will be the question.
 

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Tambellini had a hat trick tonight against Regina.

29 goals and 52 points in 43 games.

Buch had an assist in Severstal's 4-2 loss. Also a +1 with two shots.
 

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Tambellini had a hat trick tonight against Regina.

29 goals and 52 points in 43 games.

Buch had an assist in Severstal's 4-2 loss. Also a +1 with two shots.

On paper, Tambellini sounds very good. Big time scorer, natural center and big frame that is apparently filling out. Comes from a hockey family.

Yet, I don't hear any buzz about him being in the top echelon of prospects.

Can someone who has some firsthand knowledge of the player fill in some blanks?
 

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On paper, Tambellini sounds very good. Big time scorer, natural center and big frame that is apparently filling out. Comes from a hockey family.

Yet, I don't hear any buzz about him being in the top echelon of prospects.

Can someone who has some firsthand knowledge of the player fill in some blanks?


How is being on pace for 80-some points in the WHL being a big time scorer? There are over 50 players in the Canadian Juniors who are outscoring him, how does that make him a top echelon prospect? Again, if he were a defense-first player, these would be acceptable stats, but he's an offense-first player. Guys scoring significantly more than him (St. Croix, Christian Thomas) went nowhere. Ryan Bourque scored exactly the same per game at the same age and he's an all-around player, and he still won't be playing in the NHL.

If you review all the past players, the odds of an offense-first player scoring 1.2 points per game in the juniors making it as an NHLer are tiny. He will either need to skyrocket his offense or become a superior defensive player.
 

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Out of Tambellini's 29 goals, only 3 are PPGs. He's also a tremendous +27, with the 6th best ESGF% in the WHL.

And unfortunately, while CHLStats doesn't track individual players' possession metrics, the Hitmen are the 2nd best possession team in the league, with Tambellini getting 22 minutes a game. Gotta assume he's a good possession player down there.

He's having a very good season and not getting much credit for it.
 

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Out of Tambellini's 29 goals, only 3 are PPGs. He's also a tremendous +27, with the 6th best ESGF% in the WHL.

And unfortunately, while CHLStats doesn't track individual players' possession metrics, the Hitmen are the 2nd best possession team in the league, with Tambellini getting 22 minutes a game. Gotta assume he's a good possession player down there.

He's having a very good season and not getting much credit for it.

Thats great
Lets now just include him in all our Edmonton/Hall trade posts :naughty:
 

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"@JRNYR: Richard Nejezcleb extends his scoring streak to 7 gms with a goal tonight. 3-6-9 over the span. Has a pt. in 9 of last 10 6-9-15. #NYR #WHL"

"@JRNYR: Nejezcleb has a point in 19 of 23 games in the #WHL this season 12-16-30. Ranks 11th in the league with 7 ppg's #NYR"


Nejezchleb is playing on the Amerk's top line RW with two undrafted O/A in Brian Williams and Beau Mccue.

He and boo-meister Nieves are on my sleeper list!
 

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How is being on pace for 80-some points in the WHL being a big time scorer? There are over 50 players in the Canadian Juniors who are outscoring him, how does that make him a top echelon prospect? Again, if he were a defense-first player, these would be acceptable stats, but he's an offense-first player. Guys scoring significantly more than him (St. Croix, Christian Thomas) went nowhere. Ryan Bourque scored exactly the same per game at the same age and he's an all-around player, and he still won't be playing in the NHL.

If you review all the past players, the odds of an offense-first player scoring 1.2 points per game in the juniors making it as an NHLer are tiny. He will either need to skyrocket his offense or become a superior defensive player.

29 goals 3rd in WHL. +27. Those are big time numbers.

I was referring to the Rangers echelon of top prospects.
 

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Tambellini is doing exactly what you want a player like him to do. Score consistently and improve the other areas of his play. He went from being a PP specialist to a very productive ES player. From what people have said, his two-way game is improving, which will make him a viable option at center as a pro. I've only caught a handful of Hitmen games this season, but in each one he was noticeable on both sides of the puck and was getting to the dirty areas he used to avoid.

I suppose it would be nice if he was scoring 2 points per game, but noticeable improvement in other areas is just as important, if not more so.
 

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Rangers gave up Callahan and two first rounders including this year's for St. Louis. I just don't see them walking away from him if he's at all reasonable about his next contract which I suspect he will be. He's here by choice. How much room that leaves for Zuccarello and/or Hagelin will be the question.

Completely inappropriate way of making decision about the future. By trading Callaghan the Rangers were able to make a run to SCF last year, gearing up for another this year and created cap space to sign players who the management thought to be more essential short and long term. Was it right or wrong decision (did it worked out as intended or not) - it's in the past and should have no influence on what happens this off-season with MSL.
 

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I was never a huge Tambellini fan and I'm still not. But he's had a really good season and people underestimate his current value. He's moved up our prospect chain and in this year that says something.
 

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How is being on pace for 80-some points in the WHL being a big time scorer? There are over 50 players in the Canadian Juniors who are outscoring him, how does that make him a top echelon prospect? Again, if he were a defense-first player, these would be acceptable stats, but he's an offense-first player. Guys scoring significantly more than him (St. Croix, Christian Thomas) went nowhere. Ryan Bourque scored exactly the same per game at the same age and he's an all-around player, and he still won't be playing in the NHL.

If you review all the past players, the odds of an offense-first player scoring 1.2 points per game in the juniors making it as an NHLer are tiny. He will either need to skyrocket his offense or become a superior defensive player.

He's not offense first. He's a two-way player playing with scrubs. He played with Virtanen last year but not as much this year.

Bourque, Thomas and MSC were smurf speedsters. Tambellini is a two-way center with size and skill.

He's having a great season. Top-5 in goals and top-10 in +/-

Easily one of organization's top pure center prospects.
 

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Completely inappropriate way of making decision about the future. By trading Callaghan the Rangers were able to make a run to SCF last year, gearing up for another this year and created cap space to sign players who the management thought to be more essential short and long term. Was it right or wrong decision (did it worked out as intended or not) - it's in the past and should have no influence on what happens this off-season with MSL.

Inappropriate or not I still don't see them moving away from a marquee player they went all out to get. It might not be the right decision but the alternative would be a bit embarrassing not only for MSL but the Rangers organization and the upper management decision makers--namely Sather and Gorton.

With Buchnevich and Duclair waiting in the weeds along with the seeming emergence of JT Miller--it will make IMO moving Zuccarello or allowing him to leave as a UFA this summer more palatable to them than the embarrassment of dumping MSL. Factor in Zuccarello not providing the expected offense--and he is being outpointed by St. Louis 35-23.

The thing is with Stepan heading towards a big payday we were always going to be losing at least one major player some time this year or over the summer. I figured it might be Staal. I was wrong. The next most likely to me is Zuccarello.
 

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How is being on pace for 80-some points in the WHL being a big time scorer? There are over 50 players in the Canadian Juniors who are outscoring him, how does that make him a top echelon prospect? Again, if he were a defense-first player, these would be acceptable stats, but he's an offense-first player. Guys scoring significantly more than him (St. Croix, Christian Thomas) went nowhere. Ryan Bourque scored exactly the same per game at the same age and he's an all-around player, and he still won't be playing in the NHL.

If you review all the past players, the odds of an offense-first player scoring 1.2 points per game in the juniors making it as an NHLer are tiny. He will either need to skyrocket his offense or become a superior defensive player.

Christian Thomas has seen time with Montreal this season. I wouldn't say he has gone no where as of yet. Still very young.
 

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and btw St. Croix will play this entire season at age 21. Has had some injury issues this year. Might be premature to write him yet
 
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