2005 Draft, Top 10

[Newfie Bruin]

Top 30
1)1 Pittsburgh Sidney Crosby C Rimouski Oceanic (QMJHL)
2)3 Carolina Jack Johnson D U.S. Junior National Team (Intl)
3)6 Columbus Gilbert Brule C Vancouver Giants (WHL)
4)2 Anaheim Bobby Ryan R Owen Sound Attack (OHL)
5)11 Los Angeles Anze Kopitar C Sodertalje Jrs (Sweden)
6)12 NY Rangers Marc Staal D Sudbury Wolves (OHL)
7)10 Vancouver Luc Bourdon D Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL)
8)13 Buffalo Marek Zagrapan C Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL)
9)23 New Jersey Nicklas Bergfors W Sodertalje SK (SEL)
10)24 St. Louis T.J. Oshie C Warroad H.S. (Minn.)
11)21 Toronto Tuukka Rask G Ilves Tampere (FNL)
12)4 Minnesota Benoit Pouliot L Sudbury Wolves (OHL)
13)7 Chicago Jack Skille R U.S. Junior National Team (Intl)
14)9 Ottawa Brian Lee D Lincoln Stars (USHL)
15)8 San Jose Devin Setoguchi R Saskatoon Blades (WHL)
16)5 Mtl. Canadiens Carey Price G Tri-City Americans (WHL)
17)18 Nashville Ryan Parent D Guelph Storm (OHL)
18)45 Mtl. Canadiens Guillaume Latendresse R Drummondville Voltigeurs (QMJHL)
19)19 Detroit Jakub Kindl D Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
20)15 NY Islanders Ryan O'Marra C Erie Otters (OHL)
21)25 Edmonton Andrew Cogliano C St. Michael's Buzzers(OPJHL)
22)41 Atlanta Ondrej Pavelec G Kladno Jrs (Czech Rep.)
23)16 Atlanta Alex Bourret R Lewiston MAINEiacs (QMJHL)
24)17 Phoenix Martin Hanzal C Budejovice Jrs (Czech. Rep)
25)39 Boston Petr Kalus C Vitkovice Jr. (Czech)
26)20 Florida Kendal McArdle L Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL)
27)22 Boston Matt Lashoff D Kitchener Rangers
28)28 Dallas Matt Niskanen D Virginia H.S. (Minn.)
29)29 Philadelphia Steve Downie R Windsor Spitfires
30)37 St. Louis Scott Jackson D Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL)

 

[HFNHL Canadiens]

Top 30
1)1 Pittsburgh Sidney Crosby C Rimouski Oceanic (QMJHL)
2)3 Carolina Jack Johnson D U.S. Junior National Team (Intl)
3)6 Columbus Gilbert Brule C Vancouver Giants (WHL)
4)2 Anaheim Bobby Ryan R Owen Sound Attack (OHL)
5)11 Los Angeles Anze Kopitar C Sodertalje Jrs (Sweden)
6)12 NY Rangers Marc Staal D Sudbury Wolves (OHL)
7)10 Vancouver Luc Bourdon D Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL)
8)13 Buffalo Marek Zagrapan C Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL)
9)23 New Jersey Nicklas Bergfors W Sodertalje SK (SEL)
10)24 St. Louis T.J. Oshie C Warroad H.S. (Minn.)
11)21 Toronto Tuukka Rask G Ilves Tampere (FNL)
12)4 Minnesota Benoit Pouliot L Sudbury Wolves (OHL)
13)7 Chicago Jack Skille R U.S. Junior National Team (Intl)
14)9 Ottawa Brian Lee D Lincoln Stars (USHL)
15)8 San Jose Devin Setoguchi R Saskatoon Blades (WHL)
16)5 Mtl. Canadiens Carey Price G Tri-City Americans (WHL)
17)18 Nashville Ryan Parent D Guelph Storm (OHL)
18)45 Mtl. Canadiens Guillaume Latendresse R Drummondville Voltigeurs (QMJHL)
19)19 Detroit Jakub Kindl D Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
20)15 NY Islanders Ryan O'Marra C Erie Otters (OHL)
21)25 Edmonton Andrew Cogliano C St. Michael's Buzzers(OPJHL)
22)41 Atlanta Ondrej Pavelec G Kladno Jrs (Czech Rep.)
23)16 Atlanta Alex Bourret R Lewiston MAINEiacs (QMJHL)
24)17 Phoenix Martin Hanzal C Budejovice Jrs (Czech. Rep)
25)39 Boston Petr Kalus C Vitkovice Jr. (Czech)
26)20 Florida Kendal McArdle L Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL)
27)22 Boston Matt Lashoff D Kitchener Rangers
28)28 Dallas Matt Niskanen D Virginia H.S. (Minn.)
29)29 Philadelphia Steve Downie R Windsor Spitfires
30)37 St. Louis Scott Jackson D Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL)

Perttu Lindgren would go top 15 if the draft were re-done, he had a far more impressive year than Kopitar.

 

[FrankMTL]

Because Oshie's the one that projects to a 1st/2nd line offensive player...

Don't get me wrong... I like Bergfors too. A lot. But Oshie has been the steal of that draft as far as I'm concerned.

P_B

Hes been a steal for sure...but maybe not THE steal. He was still a first rounder and i think you expect to get a pretty good player in the first round...i think I would classify a steal as being taken in the lower rounds when you don`t expect to get much....but I see what your getting at..

 

[no name]

Dany Roussin has been the bust of the draft. Sure he went in the second round but he couldnt cut it in the AHL without Crosby and some thought he was a potential first rounder.

 

[WADEugottaBELAKthat]

I think you underrate Oshie's offensive abilities.

I think you underrate Bergfors offensive abilities. I mean c'mon, this guy was the youngest guy in the AHL and lead the Albany Rats in points

 

[Meat Wave]

I don't know what Price has (not) done to be kept out of the top 15 on so many lists. He was carrying a very weak Tri-City as a 18-year-old, even though some willl say he had an up-and-down season. Potential wise, he's still top 5 in my books.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Because Oshie's the one that projects to a 1st/2nd line offensive player...

Don't get me wrong... I like Bergfors too. A lot. But Oshie has been the steal of that draft as far as I'm concerned.

P_B

I guess I don't see that, just remember what Bergfors is doing is in the second best mens league at the age of 18.

 

[Porn*]

nice to see rask get some love...


another guy I thought was a HUGE steal... Pavelac.

 

[montreal]

I don't know what Price has (not) done to be kept out of the top 15 on so many lists. He was carrying a very weak Tri-City as a 18-year-old, even though some willl say he had an up-and-down season. Potential wise, he's still top 5 in my books.

I wouldn't take him top 15 based off the season he had. Too inconsistent. He said himself he didn't have the same kind of season as last year. I don't know how many times you got to see him play, I only saw 5 or 6 this year on webcast and several more on the radio but he wasn't overly impressive. Next year hopefully he has a big year and his potential is still very high imo. One things for sure, there's no way in freaking hell I'd pick him in the top 5.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

I guess I don't see that, just remember what Bergfors is doing is in the second best mens league at the age of 18.

I love the "playing with men" argument.

"Sure, Lemieux put up 282 points in 70 games, but that was in the QMJHL, and Sylvain Turgeon got 72 points in 76 games PLAYIGN WITH MEN!!!1"

Bergfors is great. But Oshie is one of the top players his age in the NCAA, displaying a multidimensional array of skills. It's no contest who I'd take.

 

[Meat Wave]

I wouldn't take him top 15 based off the season he had. Too inconsistent. He said himself he didn't have the same kind of season as last year. I don't know how many times you got to see him play, I only saw 5 or 6 this year on webcast and several more on the radio but he wasn't overly impressive. Next year hopefully he has a big year and his potential is still very high imo. One things for sure, there's no way in freaking hell I'd pick him in the top 5.

I believe you're being too harsh on him Dan. In all fairness, Carey has had a bunch of nobodies in front of him for the last 3 seasons over in Tri-City. Seeing how the only other player on this Ams team that is being talked about as a solid prospect with NHL potential is Logan Stephenson, I can understand how Price did have some painful stretches throughout the season. That's not to say he was himself good enough to justify a top 5 selection, but it remains one thing that you really have to consider when making an evaluation of his progress.

Actually, all bias aside, the only players I would select ahead of him if the draft had to be re-done (and the top 4 staying intact) would be Marc Staal and Gilbert Brule.

Just give him time, or yet even better, a team that can play .500 hockey for once.

 

[montreal]

I believe you're being too harsh on him Dan. In all fairness, Carey has had a bunch of nobodies in front of him for the last 3 seasons over in Tri-City. Seeing how the only other player on this Ams team that is being talked about as a solid prospect with NHL potential is Logan Stephenson, I can understand how Price did have some painful stretches throughout the season. That's not to say he was himself good enough to justify a top 5 selection, but it remains one thing that you really have to consider when making an evaluation of his progress.

Actually, all bias aside, the only players I would select ahead of him if the draft had to be re-done (and the top 4 staying intact) would be Marc Staal and Gilbert Brule.

Just give him time, or yet even better, a team that can play .500 hockey for once.

Maybe, but I have yet to be really impressed with him. I have faith in Savard/Timmins and to me the pick makes a lot of sense, even more since Theodore is gone. But the fact is he did not improve or progress this season. In fact he was brutal early on and was pulled several times in games I've listened to. But he was considered one of the top goalies in the WHL at 17 and his 8 SO's on a below average team speaks about his play, just as only getting 3 SO's this year speaks about how his season went. Like I said perhaps you saw him more then me and can add more to it. I follow all the Hab prospects, so it means I usually see 30 guys 5-6 times a year. But in those viewings of him it was hard to get excited.

There are guys based off this past season that I'd either take before him or have to really consider taking. Sid, Jack Johnson of course. Brule, Staal and Bourdon. Then guys like Pavelec, Parent, McArdle, Setoguchi, Bergfors and Kopitar, even Rask since he was impressive at the wjc's. Now that doesn't mean Price won't be better down the road and I'm not really taking into consideration upside/potential, really just by the season they had this year.

 

[Legionnaire]

I guess I don't see that, just remember what Bergfors is doing is in the second best mens league at the age of 18.

Bergfors was in the RSL?

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

1.Sidney Crosby
2.Gilbert Brule
3.Jack Johnson
4.Robert Ryan
5.Anze Kopitar
6.Benoit Pouliot
7.Luc Bourdon
8.Carey Price
9.Marc Staal
10.Jack Skille
11.Devin Setoguchi
12.Marek Zagrapan
13.Brian Lee
14.Ryan Parent
15.Tuuka Rask

 

[leafaholix*]

1.Sidney Crosby
2.Gilbert Brule
3.Jack Johnson
4.Robert Ryan
5.Anze Kopitar
6.Benoit Pouliot
7.Luc Bourdon
8.Carey Price
9.Marc Staal
10.Jack Skille
11.Devin Setoguchi
12.Marek Zagrapan
13.Brian Lee
14.Ryan Parent
15.Tuuka Rask

As far as goaltenders go, Price is not 7 spots ahead of Rask. Rask had better numbers in one of the top professional leagues than Price had in a junior league.

And Rask was the best goalie at the WJC's, he beat out Pogge, who beat out Price for a roster spot.

Potential wise, they're even.

 

[crosby_87]

I see Jason's argument for Bergfors. No doubt is he a top offensive talent that looks like he'll be a 1st/2nd line scorer. I'm not doubting that at all. I'm also not trying to argue who is better between Oshie and Bergfors. I haven't seen enough of Bergfors to argue that. I just want to give you another perspective on TJ Oshie.

He has always had doubters. He came into North Dakota, and some fans, even Fighting Sioux fans, said "There is no way he is ready, he is way too raw" or the old "He won't be able to cut it, it's a huge jump from Minnesota Class A to the WCHA". He basically proved everyone wrong this year. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY(Except for maybe the blues organization) expected this kind of year from him.

While showing plenty of heart, hustle, and grit, he also showed awesome offensive ability. Numerous times did he go top shelf on the goalie or make a great cross ice pass for an easy tap in goal by a teammate. He is so hard to knock off of the puck in the corner. His game is incredibly dynamic, and his build allows him to play any style of forward, whether it be scoring or grinding. I wish I could send you some game tapes of TJ this year, and you would see that a lot of games he was the most dangerous player offensively for UND. And UND is no slouch offensively, trust me.

I'm not saying you have to accept this opinion or even agree with it. But it's just my opinion and perspective on Oshie.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Originally Posted by no name
Dany Roussin has been the bust of the draft. Sure he went in the second round but he couldnt cut it in the AHL without Crosby and some thought he was a potential first rounder.

It is his first year pro, and he played really well when sent down to the ECHL, got 45 points in just 41 games there, and even when later recalled to Manchester of the AHL played well. Just because he did not step into the pro ranks quite like a Crosby does not mean he is automatically a bust.

 

[leafaholix*]

It is his first year pro, and he played really well when sent down to the ECHL, got 45 points in just 41 games there, and even when later recalled to Manchester of the AHL played well. Just because he did not step into the pro ranks quite like a Crosby does not mean he is automatically a bust.

anytime u go in the second or third round and are 19 or 20, and you don't stick it in the ahl, you're pretty much a bust until you prove otherwise.

 

[LeMAD]

Maybe, but I have yet to be really impressed with him. I have faith in Savard/Timmins and to me the pick makes a lot of sense, even more since Theodore is gone. But the fact is he did not improve or progress this season. In fact he was brutal early on and was pulled several times in games I've listened to. But he was considered one of the top goalies in the WHL at 17 and his 8 SO's on a below average team speaks about his play, just as only getting 3 SO's this year speaks about how his season went. Like I said perhaps you saw him more then me and can add more to it. I follow all the Hab prospects, so it means I usually see 30 guys 5-6 times a year. But in those viewings of him it was hard to get excited.

There are guys based off this past season that I'd either take before him or have to really consider taking. Sid, Jack Johnson of course. Brule, Staal and Bourdon. Then guys like Pavelec, Parent, McArdle, Setoguchi, Bergfors and Kopitar, even Rask since he was impressive at the wjc's. Now that doesn't mean Price won't be better down the road and I'm not really taking into consideration upside/potential, really just by the season they had this year.

The day of the draft, Savard was interviewed on TV just after the pick (don't remember if it was RDS or TSN) and he seemed mad about it. He said it was "their" pick and he said something like: "i guess they saw something in him"...

 

[Randall Graves*]

1. Crosby
2. Johnson
3. Brule
4. Staal
5. Bourdon
6. Kopitar
7. Oshie
8. Pouliot
9. Ryan
10. Parent (under-rated)

Kopitar has the big upside but we need to see him in NA competition before saying too much. Crosby comparison are a little over the top at the moment.

Wow

Ryan > Pouliot Oshie bourdon Staal Kopitar

Skilled power forwards like Ryan are hard to find. the only clear cut guy above him should be Johnson and Crosby. He and Brule are ahead of the others you listed.

 

[TUQ]

Yes, AO and Malkin have played 1 game, but it was against Kazakhstan.

Kopitar has scored 4 points in 2 games vs Finland and Sweden, which have excellent defenses. Kopitar also has to play with 2 linemates who are about AHL level ability-wise.

It wasn´t Sweden but Czech Republic and czech defense was Terrible. It is the weakest part of weak czech team on WC.

 

[Meat Wave]

1. Sidney Crosby
2. Gilbert Brule
3. Jack Johnson
4. Bobby Ryan
5. Marc Staal
6. Benoit Pouliot
7. Carey Price
8. Luc Bourdon
9. Niklas Bergfors
10. Tuukka Rask
11. Anze Kopitar
12. Ryan Parent
13. T.J. Oshie
14. Brian Lee
15. Devin Setoguchi

 

[gars59]

As far as goaltenders go, Price is not 7 spots ahead of Rask. Rask had better numbers in one of the top professional leagues than Price had in a junior league.

And Rask was the best goalie at the WJC's, he beat out Pogge, who beat out Price for a roster spot.

Potential wise, they're even.

Price will also be number one in finland , finland have not the deepht of canada ..... !!!!!! Imo rask dont make also the team canada last years ......

 

[gars59]

1. Sidney Crosby
2. Jack Johnson
3. Gilbert Brule
4. Bobby Ryan
5. Marc Staal
6. Anze Kopitar
7. Luc Bourdon
8. Carey Price
9. Niklas Bergfors
10. Tuukka Rask
11. Benoit Pouliot
12. Ryan Parent
13. T.J. Oshie
14. Brian Lee
15. Devin Setoguchi

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Price will also be number one in finland , finland have not the deepht of canada ..... !!!!!! Imo rask dont make also the team canada last years ......

Wow, are you kidding?