2005 Draft - stock increase/decrease

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  1. Kafka

    Kafka Registered User

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    It is I agree too early to start a thread asking to redo the 2005 draft. Still, we can all point out names whose stock increased since the draft Day.

    For Montreal, I can say that Latendresse and Kastsitsyn (Siarhei) would probably now be picked higher... maybe also Juraj Mikus... but I really can't tell for other teams prospects.

    So tell me what is your opinion please.
     
  2. Rise from the Ashes

    Rise from the Ashes Price defies corsi

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    MAYYYYBE steve downie... Marc Staal... Nik Bergfors, Dan Ryder, Matt D'agostini
     
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    Rask possibly, but it'd only be by a few spots (IE still 15th or up), and goalies tend to go to teams who are intending to draft a goalie, so most of the guys who passed before would likely have passed again.
     
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    As of their play to date, the draft would go something like this (top 15) (basing it particularly towards WJC play):

    1) Sidney Crosby (hmm)
    2) Jack Johnson (great play in college and World Juniors)
    3) Bobby Ryan (playing great in the OHL)
    4) Gilbert Brule (been injured, but been great in games he's played)
    5) Luc Bourdon (showed awsome all-around play at the WJC)
    6) Marc Staal (played awesome at WJC, but wasn't great on offense)
    7) Tuukka Rask (tremendous play at WJC has people in awe)
    8) Marek Zagrapan (has played excellent this year in WJC and the Q)
    9) Ryan Parent (showed phenominal speed and defense at WJC)
    10) T.J. Oshie (might even be a bit too low, considering his WJC play)
    11) Steve Downie (showed grit and heart at WJC)
    12) Niklas Bergfors (playing great in Ahl this season and in WJC)
    13) Guillaume Latendresse (so much talent in the Q)
    14) Devin Setoguchi (has been playing phenominal this year in the "dub")
    15) Benoit Pouliot (mediocre play this year in both WJC an "o" causes him to slip)


    left out:
    Carey Price (inconsistent at best this year in Tri-City)
    Jack Skille (quite disappointing at WJC)
    Brian Lee (shows big lack of physicality)
    Anze Kopitar (haven't heard a peep about this guy since the draft)
    Sasha Pokulok (don't even know how he made the top 15)
    Ryan O'Marra (although good as a grinder, shows limited offensive upside)
     
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    Kopitar's stock hasn't gone up or down imo. His stats are quite good for the SEL with 14pts, but not impressive enough to warrant draft stock upgrade
     
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    devils perspective Bergfors has risen. we all thought he'd spend this year with the fog devils. and now is with the river rats lookng strong. looking good in the WJC's coudn't hurt either.
     
  7. Rise from the Ashes

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    carey price plays for tri-city not portland
     
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    To be fair, what did you expect to hear ?

    Kid is playing in the SEL. He is on the pace to finish the season around the 25 points and is playing for a team with 8 wins in 36 games. I can't name many players who did better at the age of 18 the past few years. The Sedin sisters, I'll give you that one.

    In the meantime he played at the WC -20 Group A, netted 5 goals/1 assist in five games, for what it's worth.

    I seriously don't care when people make comments about Kings prospects but I had to respond on this one. ;)
     
  9. Kafka

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    What about those:

    BUF Marc-Andre Gragnani D
    FLA Dan Collins F
    NJ Patrick Davis F
    WSH Patrick McNeill D
    TB Stanislav Lascek F
    SJ Derek Joslin D
    NSH Cal O'Reilly F
    NYI Luciano Aquino F
    NYR Ryan Russell F

    ?
     
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    Lascek for sure......!!!
     
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    I only really know about Dan Collins, but his stock has increased. Good year in the OHL this year, over a PPG and early in the season he was playing on the best line in the ohl outside London. He has slowed a little, but he has the tools to become a decent nhl'er.
     
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    Russell's stock has definately increased. He looks to be a real sleeper pick.
     
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    People seem to put too much stock into the WJC's, IMO. A guy like Brian Lee has played very well in college, but because he wasn't great in the WJC's, his stock drops. Same with Jack Skille. I don't get it.
     
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    I wonder if the Kings are regretting not convincing him to go to Regina aobut now. Sure, he's playing with men in the SEL, but being in a winning environment in Regina might've been just as productive for him. That, and playing in NA might've been good for him.
     
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    The only guys that I see improving their stock significantly are Stanislav Lascek, Nikolai Lemtyugov, Ilja Zubov, and Ondrej Pavelec.

    Lascek put on a good show at the WJC's, and this whole Russia without a deal with the NHL will be shown as silly when Zubov and Lemtyugov show their worth, especially Lemtyugov who went 9th round and showed a lot of skill at the WJC's. Pavelec has been having a banner year for Cape Breton and was left off the roster for the Czech's with Schwarz holding the starting job and Fiala inexplicably taking the back-up spot.
     
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    Did you read anything about the signing. The only reason he agreed to sign is saying that he'd be guaranteed ALTEAST 1 year over in Europe. Trust me all of wish he wouldn't of gone back. That being said if he would of stayed would of been on the team or #1 center in Manchester doubt he'd be on Regina.....
     
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    Pouliot is a disappointment but his potential is through the roof. He almost made the Wild team.
     
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    In all fairness, you can't expect the unusual contract to be memorized by non-Kings fans, particularly a duck fan. We're not fully aware of their prospects' contract situation, either.

    That said, I don't think management is too upset over Kopitar staying in Europe. He wanted to fulfill his contract with Sodertalje, which is perfectly reasonable. That's pretty much the only reason he's still in Europe; I doubt the Kings would have let him play in Regina if he decided to play in North America this year.
     
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    Round 1

    1. Sidney Crosby: Up
    2. Bobby Ryan: Up
    3. Jack Johnson: Up
    4. Benoit Pouliot: Even
    5. Carey Price: Even
    6. Gilbert Brule: Up
    7. Jack Skille: Up
    8. Devin Setoguchi: Even
    9. Brian Lee: Up
    10. Luc Bourdon: Up
    11. Anze Kopitar: Up
    12. Marc Staal: Up
    13. Marek Zagrapan: Even
    14. Sasha Pokulok: Up
    15. Ryan O'Marra: Up
    16. Alex Bourret: Up
    17. Martin Hanzal: Up
    18. Ryan Parent: Up
    19. Jakub Kindl: Up
    20. Kendal McArdle: Up
    21. Tuukka Rask: Up
    22. Matt Lashoff: Up
    23. Nicklas Bergfors: Up
    24. TJ Oshie: Up
    25. Andrew Cogliano: Up
    26. Matt Pelech: Down
    27. Joe Finley: Even
    28. Matt Niskanen: Up
    29. Steve Downie: Up

    Round 2

    30. Vladimir Mihalik: Down
    31. Brendan Mikkelson: Up
    32. Tyler Plante: Up
    33. James Neal: Up
    34. Ryan Stoa: Up
    35. ME Vlasic: Up
    36. Taylor Chorney: Up
    37. Scott Jackson: Up
    38. Jeff Frazee: Up
    39. Petr Kalus: Up
    40. Michael Sauer: Up
    41. Ondrej Pavelec: Up
    42. Justin Abdelkader: Up
    43. Michael Blunden: Up
    44. Paul Stastny: Up
    45. Guillaume Latendresse: Up
    46. Dustin Kohn: Down
    47. Tom Fritsche: Up
    48. Philipp Gogulla: Down
    49. Chad Denny: Up
    50. Danny Roussin: Even
    51. Mayson Raymond: Up
    52. Chris Durand: Down
    53. Andrew Kozek: Up
    54. Dan Bertram: Up
    55. Adam McQuaid: Down
    56. MA Cliche: Up
    57. Matt Kassian: Down
    58. Nate Hagemo: Up
    59. PO Pelletier: Up
    60. TJ Fast: Up
    61. Michael Gergen: Up

    Round 3

    62. Kristopher Letang: Up
    63. Jason Bailey: Even
    64. Joe Barnes: Up
    65. Kristofer Westblom: Down
    66. Brodie Dupont: Up
    67. Kris Russell: Up
    68. Evan Brophey: Up
    69. Gord Baldwin: Even
    70. Vitali Anikeyenko: Even
    71. Richard Clune: Up
    72. Jonathan Quick: Up
    73. Radek Smolenak: Up
    74. Dan Ryder: Up
    75. Perttu Lindgren: Up
    76. Shea Guthrie: Up
    77. Dayln Flatt: Down
    78. Teemu Laakso: Up
    79. Cody Franson: Up
    80. Christofer Lofberg: Up
    81. Danny Syvret: Up
    82. Phil Oreskovic: Even
    83. Mikko Lehtonen: Up
    84. Mark Fraser: Down
    85. Ben Bishop: Up
    86. Robby Dee: Down
    87. MA Gragnani: Up
    88. TJ Hensick: Up
    89. Chris Lawrence: Down
    90. Dan Collins: Up
    91. Oskars Bartulis: Up

    Other Notables

    Mattias Ritola: Up
    Keith Yandle: Up
    Tom Pyatt: Up
    Denis Istomin: Up
    Slava Trukhno: Up
    Mathieu Aubin: Up
    Tomas Pospisil: Up
    Sergei Kostitsyn: Up
    Fredrik Pettersson: Up
    Juho Mielonen: Up
     
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    The WJC is a superior level of play than the NCAA or the CHL. The WJC shows how players can do in their peer group at the elite level(which does not really tell you everything about their NHL potential but it's a more than adequate way to improve your expectations. However, a poor showing really doesn't crush your rating on the prospect level either).

    Brian Lee played fine at the WJC if I remember his play correctly. He didn't do anything to show any reason to boost his spot, but he's still a great prospect. A guy like Tuukka Rask winning top goalie, or Justin Pogge coming out of nowhere to become the Gold medal goalie (just like Glass last season) has earned the higher expectations/stock increase however.

    The real question here is who has performed better than expected, and who has performed to the extent expected, those guys stay the same, or get a little better. It's things like Price not making the WJC team that would have their stock drop a bit, because there is a question mark surrounding them as to why they didn't make the team. I don't think there is any team who if they looked at the performances from the WJC would change their selections really, and I don't think there is much reason for any of them to.
     
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    There is no way that this many players went up in draft stock. It isn't possible for 23 out of 29 players to go up.
     
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    Well, what I was saying was the regrets were on DT to not do a better job of convincing him to stay in NA. Probably not much he could do, though. As for where he'd go, I'd agree if he made the team, he should stay, but if he didn't, I'm not too sure Manchester would be good for him. Then again, that's because I closely followed the careers of Alexei Smirnov and Mikhail Yakubov for a while, both who fizzled when they went to the AHL first.
     
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    Kopitar's stock went up A LOT because of his excellent training camp with the Kings. He looked like a dominating NHL veteran. It was basically stated that he played well enough to make the team, but since he's 18 they wanted to let him develop a little more. No question he'll be in the NHL next year. Our best prospect in a long long time.
     
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    Risers for 2005:
    Luc Bourdon
    Nicklas Bergfors
    T.J. Oshie
    Ondrej Pavalec
    Guillame Latendresse
    Marc-Andre Cliche
    Kris Letang
    Keith Yandle
    S. Kastsisyn
    Marc Staal

    Fallers:
    Jack Skille
    Sasha Pokulok
    Kendall McArdle
    Joe Finley
    Ryan O'Marra
    Matt Pelech
     
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    Why not? Going from their draft position, accomplishments and rankings within the organization that drafted them, they have indeed gone up.
     
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