velimiiro said:What a surprise, you're a shark fan, who is saying the sharks made a steal, surprise surprise surprise!
holly crap he just asked if anyone had some info on him
god
why all the drama?
2004 Steal? Michael Vernace
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holly crap he just asked if anyone had some info on him
god
why all the drama?
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At the risk of changing the topic from its 'new' direction, I am a Battalion season ticketholder and have seen him play (that gets my bias out of the way as well).
He's played pretty solid on the power play so far working the puck around well and doing a good job of getting the puck towards the net. Of his five goals, I believe three have been shots from the point and two have been him stepping up on odd man rushes. He's getting better in the defensive zone, or at least more confident taking the man. Not really throwing his weight around much, but certainly by no means a defensive liability.
As I predicted on the Sharks board to little fanfare at the beginning of the season, he's getting a ton of quality minutes with the Battalion and improving with every game. If I've perhaps missed a part of his game anyone would like a comment on, I'd be happy to oblige.
He's played pretty solid on the power play so far working the puck around well and doing a good job of getting the puck towards the net. Of his five goals, I believe three have been shots from the point and two have been him stepping up on odd man rushes. He's getting better in the defensive zone, or at least more confident taking the man. Not really throwing his weight around much, but certainly by no means a defensive liability.
As I predicted on the Sharks board to little fanfare at the beginning of the season, he's getting a ton of quality minutes with the Battalion and improving with every game. If I've perhaps missed a part of his game anyone would like a comment on, I'd be happy to oblige.
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Hey thanks for the two impressions there guys..... Very appreciated.
and thanks to those of you who stood up for me on this thread
I agree that I think people need to stop being hard nosed critics...
I by no means am saying he's the steal of the draft or is a steal, just asking if you think he is one.
Sounds like i'll be able to see the upcoming Wolves vs Battallion game... I can't waite to see Vernace, Ehelechner, and I really can't waite to see Pouliot.
and thanks to those of you who stood up for me on this thread
I agree that I think people need to stop being hard nosed critics...I by no means am saying he's the steal of the draft or is a steal, just asking if you think he is one.
Sounds like i'll be able to see the upcoming Wolves vs Battallion game... I can't waite to see Vernace, Ehelechner, and I really can't waite to see Pouliot.
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Sens Prospects
I think the Sens got a few steals over the years and most recently with Andrei Mezaros who is in the top of the WHL league in points for rookies. Another Sens draft pick which has been under the radar is Alexei Kaigorodov who is 3rd or 4th in point total in the Russian Elite League. Patrick Eaves the Sens 1st round draft choice in 2003 had a 4 point night the other night as well as lead the USA Juniors to gold last Christmas. Brandon Bochenski was 2nd to Junior Lessard for the Hobey Baker Award and lead the NCAA in a lot of scoring categories is doing well in Binghamton of the AHL.
When it comes to steals anyone who can make it to the NHL should qualify because of the limited roster spots and the amount of guys in the world that play hockey. There are only about 800 guys who play in the NHL in a given season and it's remarkable when guys make it there, especially guys like Martin St. Louis who have been told their whole life that they are not big enough. You can't measure the size of their heart.
I think the Sens got a few steals over the years and most recently with Andrei Mezaros who is in the top of the WHL league in points for rookies. Another Sens draft pick which has been under the radar is Alexei Kaigorodov who is 3rd or 4th in point total in the Russian Elite League. Patrick Eaves the Sens 1st round draft choice in 2003 had a 4 point night the other night as well as lead the USA Juniors to gold last Christmas. Brandon Bochenski was 2nd to Junior Lessard for the Hobey Baker Award and lead the NCAA in a lot of scoring categories is doing well in Binghamton of the AHL.
When it comes to steals anyone who can make it to the NHL should qualify because of the limited roster spots and the amount of guys in the world that play hockey. There are only about 800 guys who play in the NHL in a given season and it's remarkable when guys make it there, especially guys like Martin St. Louis who have been told their whole life that they are not big enough. You can't measure the size of their heart.
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Hero of Tragedy said:
IT DOES?!?No offense, but that's a stupid thing to say. I meant, that by that headline, the meaning of the headline, is that it asks, "who will be 2004 draft's steal?". I didn't mean, he wrote that specifically, but that his headline implies that Michael Vernace is 2004 draft's steal.
I guess you don't think, that the following titles have any difference.Bob Goodenow, an illiterate idiot?
Bob Goodenow? An illiterate idiot.
So before you start calling me illiterate, you should practice how to read between the lines.
It's not like if someone says a player is a m***** f*****, that this guy really means the player actually does that kind of stuff. 
And yes, I did read yours, and sharkies posts before posting this, and the previous post here.
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Diaboli said:
No offense, but that's a stupid thing to say. I meant, that by that headline, the meaning of the headline, is that it asks, "who will be 2004 draft's steal?". I didn't mean, he wrote that specifically, but that his headline implies that Michael Vernace is 2004 draft's steal.
Bob Goodenow, an illiterate idiot?
Bob Goodenow? An illiterate idiot.
So before you start calling me illiterate, you should practice how to read between the lines.
And yes, I did read yours, and sharkies posts before posting this, and the previous post here.
I was just aking if Michael Vernace is a steal from the 2004 draft, by no means am I calling him THE STEAL!
Diaboli
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X-SHARKIE said:
I understand. I'm just in the middle of a debate with hero of tragedy , who doesn't seem to understand the basic rules of writing. That's all. This is just about your topic, not your post.
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On these boards, that are much bereft of punctuation and good grammar, it would probably benefit your blood pressue to overlook the semantics.Diaboli said:
Diaboli
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George Bachul said:On these boards, that are much bereft of punctuation and good grammar, it would probably benefit your blood pressue to overlook the semantics.
:lol Can't argue with that. It's good that my blood pressure is 123/76, so that I have some room to play with it.
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Leafaholix said:
Now I like Earl, but his game won’t work in the NHL if he doesn’t considerably bulk up, A fly could knock him off the puck. He looses battles down low, he can’t use his line mates. He’s got insane speed and some good moves with scoring instincts and makes things happen offensively. He was a steal IMO because he was taken so low, he should’ve been a 4th-5th round pick.
Sharks 7th round pick in 2003 Joe Pavelski has been awesome, he looks like the next Brad Boyes.
Rockstar Life said:
I will give you the benefit of the doubt as you are a seaon ticket holder while I only get to occassional games so maybe you've seen games where he's played better than what I've witnessed.
I am also a Brampton resident and big supporter of the Battalion but of the 4 games I've seen Vernace play I can honestly say he is my 'goat' on the team (Lojek comes a close 2nd).
In the last game against Mississaugga in particular he was absolutely brutal. He scored on the PP in that game and yes his shot strength and accuracy from the point is excellent but everything else is an issue IMO. In that game alone (seen him do this in other games but that was the worst) he twice lost control of the puck when a teammate passed the puck to him on the PP forcing the team to skate out and regroup. I've never seen him even once in the 4 games successfully stop a shot that the opponents were clearing out of their end. Finally he looks completely lost when defending. I see no vision in him whatsover and his skating is average. In short even at the OHL level he should only be used as a PP specialist and even then he has short comings.
That is the here and now. Credit to Stan Butler for sticking with Vernace in normal 5 on 5 situations and honestly if anyone in the OHL can actually make him moderately capable defensively over the next season or two it will be Stan Butler. This is the man that has significantly developed so many Battalion players. I watched him take Brent Burns from defence to fwd in one season and turn him into a 1st round pick (Burns had been mediocre at best in the 1st half of the season). Also saw the results he had on Kamil Kreps who suddenly became a good 2way player by last years playoffs (previously all offence).
In short while I would not project Vernace as a steal as is Butler may yet turn him into that given a season or two.
Although it's too early to tell, the guy everyone should keep an eye on is rookie Battalion dman DeGrey. The offensive stats are not there yet but I see great technical skating, willingness to clear the net (even if the body isn't quite filled out enough to do it effectively), and good vision. He's only playing 3rd pairing most nights b/c he is a rookie but the signs are there and again with at least 2 years to go under the tutelage of Stan Butler I'd say keep an eye on him for 2006.
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Diaboli said:
So before you start calling me illiterate
Pff. Obviously you are illiterate, or of some inferior intelligence, because you would know that the comma you've place in the first sentence should not be there. I just love when snobs pick out grammar mistakes, or shorthand, like they’re king of correctness in writing, and you can pull the same on them.
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NYRBlaznBure9 said:Pff. Obviously you are illiterate, or of some inferior intelligence, because you would know that the comma you've place in the first sentence should not be there. I just love when snobs pick out grammar mistakes, or shorthand, like they’re king of correctness in writing, and you can pull the same on them.
Yes, but does the comma change the meaning of the sentence?
BTW I'm Finnish, and if you'd translate that sentence into Finnish, the comma should be there. I know our grammars are very far apart, but I often use our grammar in my English writings. If that comma changed the meaning of my sentence in any way, do let me know. If it didn't, then you are illiterate, or of inferior intelligence, 'cos you haven't understood the meaning of my previous posts on this thread.
Don't you just love it, when you get to mock people of inferior intelligence, when they actually think it's the other way round? :lol
HFNHL Red Wings said:
The Mississauga game was the one I wasn't at, so I'll take your word for that! You're right about Butler's credentials at transforming people into solid defensive players. Vernace will never have the size to be a big hitter or incredible in front of his own net, but he will have a decent shot at being solid along the board and strong on his stick. You make a good point at keeping the puck in on the power play, but he'll have the benefit of a lot of practice this year.
Your points about Degray are well taken. I think he's a little better then Oreskovic was at this time last year with the puck and with his skating. He will no doubt be an excellent player in this league.
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Diaboli said:
No offense, but that's a stupid thing to say. I meant, that by that headline, the meaning of the headline, is that it asks, "who will be 2004 draft's steal?". I didn't mean, he wrote that specifically, but that his headline implies that Michael Vernace is 2004 draft's steal.
Bob Goodenow, an illiterate idiot?
Bob Goodenow? An illiterate idiot.
So before you start calling me illiterate, you should practice how to read between the lines.
And yes, I did read yours, and sharkies posts before posting this, and the previous post here.
Yet another who lets the point fly over his head.
Where in the entire post, did Sharkie mention that Vernace was the end all steal of the 2004 draft. Do not bother to look because you will not find it. All one could read from the title is that Sharkie suggests that he is a steal. Those who would attack him and your original post act as if he called him the absolute steal of the draft. If you put a lil thought to it...its not too hard a concept to grasp.
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Patty Ice
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Diaboli said:
Its a matter of people twisting words. But then again one can't argue with an 18 year old know-it-all.
Diaboli said:
No offense, but that's a stupid thing to say. I meant, that by that headline, the meaning of the headline, is that it asks, "who will be 2004 draft's steal?". I didn't mean, he wrote that specifically, but that his headline implies that Michael Vernace is 2004 draft's steal.
Bob Goodenow, an illiterate idiot?
Bob Goodenow? An illiterate idiot.
So before you start calling me illiterate, you should practice how to read between the lines.
And yes, I did read yours, and sharkies posts before posting this, and the previous post here.
Everyone knows Sharkie's grammar and spelling isn't the greatest. It's improved quite a bit though. No need to bash him for it.
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AvengerK said:
HAHAHA, Thanks....I'm the first one to admit it to..... I wish hfboards had a thing much like microsoft word were if I mis spelled something ect.....it would have a red line
Would make it sooooo much easier.
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Hero of Tragedy said:
No need to twist his words. Like I said. It's just about his topic. Nothing to do with his post.
Oh yeah, and to that later part of your post. What ever makes you happy/satisfied.
You said that Sharkie only suggests, that Vernace, will be a steal.
.Hero of tragedy said:
You don't have to be a foreign 18 year old know-it-all to know that his topic is not suggestive, but unconditional. And as I said in a previous post, this only applies to his topic, not his post. You can ask that simple question from your English teacher. It doesn't even have to be an 18 year old know-it-all!
Which reminds me. You really should take up math again.
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Me thinks the problem with this post is that we are not talking about Cogligano, Brule, Bertrand, Bradford or some smurf who is tearing it up (Brule aside) in some obscure Midget or equal to Midget Hockey league. I'm from the Ontario, therefore cannot speak for the calibre of hockey we call Tier 2 in the west or the Maritimes. But let me assure you, the OHA is a comedy act in Ontario. Oh yea, I forgot, Aurora kicked serious butt last year. Anyhow, forget about these guys in that league or similar ones. The greatest player that ever played tier 2 hockey was one, Michael Cammileri. Broke his leg in his second year, won the scoring title, went to MSU, got drafted to LA Kings in the 2nd round (did you get that Cogligano fans) and we're still waiting for his real NHL debut. He waqs not a top 10 pick, "too small".
I have had the pleasure of watching Michael Vernace play on a few occasions. He brings new meaning to being fearless with the puck. He is, IMO, equal to London's Dennis Wideman with the puck. Sure he makes mistakes, but the rewards overshadow the errors. Dennis made a lot of mistakes too, but he was the guy in London, the QB. He was also the OA last year. Michael still has 2 seasons before his OA year, but I don't believe he is around that long. His defence just keeps better and better. I'm sure his skating, strength and overall defensive ability will continue to improve, but you cannot teach that ability he has with the puck and his lack of fear to do what he thinks is right. I challenge any of you smurf lovers to find me a player who has come this far in a couple of games in 03/04 and a month of 2004.
I think that all St. Jose could see in the NHL draft was upside to this kid. And until I see different, I will go out on a limb and say that they made a good selection.,
I have had the pleasure of watching Michael Vernace play on a few occasions. He brings new meaning to being fearless with the puck. He is, IMO, equal to London's Dennis Wideman with the puck. Sure he makes mistakes, but the rewards overshadow the errors. Dennis made a lot of mistakes too, but he was the guy in London, the QB. He was also the OA last year. Michael still has 2 seasons before his OA year, but I don't believe he is around that long. His defence just keeps better and better. I'm sure his skating, strength and overall defensive ability will continue to improve, but you cannot teach that ability he has with the puck and his lack of fear to do what he thinks is right. I challenge any of you smurf lovers to find me a player who has come this far in a couple of games in 03/04 and a month of 2004.
I think that all St. Jose could see in the NHL draft was upside to this kid. And until I see different, I will go out on a limb and say that they made a good selection.,
X-SHARKIE said:HAHAHA, Thanks....I'm the first one to admit it to..... I wish hfboards had a thing much like microsoft word were if I mis spelled something ect.....it would have a red line
Would make it sooooo much easier.
Sharkie, I remember some of your earliest posts. You had great information about prospects but it was really difficult to read because of the spelling and punctuation.
You have really improved a lot. Thanks for info and Kudos!
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