2003 Top 6 VS 2005 Top 6

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  1. not quite yoda

    not quite yoda Registered User

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    How do you compare the cream of each draft class? Which elite 6 is better?

    Fleury
    Staal
    Horton
    Zherdev
    Vanek
    Michalek

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    VS
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    Crosby
    Johnson
    Pouliot
    Ryan
    Brule
    Kopitar
     
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  2. Birko19

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    In terms of potential, I think 2005 is better because of Crosby, but not that far ahead because guys like Fleury, Zherdev, and Staal have huge potential.
     
  3. Letang fan 58

    Letang fan 58 No More Fleury

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    There are 2 Phaneuf, and Suter that didnt make the top 6 that would pretty easily now that could possibly make the 2003 draft better just not quite as high end as Crosby.
     
  4. Evilo

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    I'd take the 2003.
    It seems to me there were about 5 potential franchise players, possibly more (Fleury, Zherdev, Staal, Horton, Phaneuf) and another group of future allstars (Michalek, Vanek, Suter...).

    The 2006 is really a one man draft. Johnson is logically 2nd, but he may not have been a top 5 pick in 2003.
    Outside these two, I'm not sold on the possible franchise players this year.
     
  5. Doomsday Device

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    Crosby looks like clearly the best prospect in the two groups. But otherwise I'd take the 2003 top 6.
     
  6. turnbuckle*

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    Phaneuf was not part of the equation - he was not a top six pick. Obviously 2003 was a better and deeper draft, but that wasn't the question here.

    Crosby >> Staal
    Johnson > Horton
    Pouliot < Fleury
    Ryan = Vanek
    Brule < Zherdev
    Kopitar >> Michalek

    Five arrows versus two for the 2005 class if you match them up this way. I think it's fairly close, but Crosby gives 2005 a definite edge in the top six.
     
  7. Evilo

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    Or you can turn it this way :
    Crosby >> Fleury
    Staal>Johnson
    Horton>>Pouliot
    Zherdev>>Ryan
    Vanek>Brule
    Michalek>Kopitar
    7 arrows to 2 for the 2003 draft.
     
  8. projexns

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    If the draft were held today:

    1 - Crosby ('05)
    2 - Zherdev ('03)
    3 - Horton ('03)
    4 - Fleury ('03)
    5 - Staal ('03)
    6 - Johnson ('05)
    7 - Ryan ('05)
    8 - Kopitar ('05)
    9 - Vanek ('03)
    10- Brule ('05)
    11- Pouliot ('05)
    12- Michalek ('03)
     
  9. helicecopter

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    Uh?? What is Horton doing at #3? (two spots ahead of Staal for example)
     
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    I Agree with Horton at #3..... Horton was dominating during the stretch before his Injury..... Definately deserves to be there.
     
  11. Big McLargehuge

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    Horton...3...no.

    I still rank him as the fourth best player in that draft.
     
  12. Jason MacIsaac

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    The top 10 for 2003 absolutly kills the top 10 for 2005, it isn't even close. Here is how I would compare it at the moment.

    Crosby > Staal
    Johnson < Phaneuf
    Pouliot < Zherdev
    Ryan < Horton
    Kopitar < Vanek
    Price < Fleury
    Staal < Suter
    Brule < Carter
    O'Marra < Getzlaf
    Skille < Michalek (Even with the knee problems)
    Bourdon < Colburn

    9 to 1 in terms of 2003. The farther I go down, the uglier this list gets.
     
  13. Letang fan 58

    Letang fan 58 No More Fleury

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    real order looking back at 2003 included
    1 crosby
    2 phaneuf
    3 zherdev
    4 fleury
    5 johnson
    6 stall
    7 horton
    8 vanek
    9 brule
    10 ryan
    11 suter
    12kopitar
     
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    I can see your a Phaneuf fan, but Dion 9 spots ahead of Suter? Not a chance.
     
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    1)Crosby
    2)Zherdev
    3)Staal
    4)Johnson
    5)Brule
    6)Horton
    7)Fleury
    8)Vanek
    9)Ryan
    10)Kopitar
    11)Pouliot
    12)Michalek

    Guys like Phaneuf and Suter were left out...
     
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    At this point, the top 6 from 2003 has to include Phaneuf and Carter, IMO.
     
  17. Hunter Gathers

    Hunter Gathers White guilt milquetoast piece of human garbage. Sponsor

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    Except it doesn't since neither were drafted in the top 6.
     
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    In that case, give 2 years to 2005 corp and then compare

    I see more super star potential in the 2005 top 6
     
  19. Rowley Birkin

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    I would say 2003 wins

    1. Crosby
    2. Staal
    3. Zherdev
    4. Fleury
    5. Vanek
    6. Brule
    7. Johnson
    8. Pouliot
    9. Horton
    10. Kopitar
    11. Ryan
    12. Michalek

    2-7 is very close though, as is 8-11. And who knows, Crosby may not even be #1 in two years time. 2003 was just a scary good draft year.
     
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    me2 Calling out the crap

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  21. Birko19

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    Not much credit is given to the 2005 class, the way I see it is how was the top players in 2003 compared at the time they were drafted to the 2005 players today? let's see:

    Fleury - Was hyped as the next Brodeur.
    Staal - Was compared to Joe Nieuwendyk during the draft time.
    Horton - He was compared to Shanahan and Guerin I remember.
    Vanek - He was a bloom/bust type of prospect and his top potential was Hossa.
    Zherdev - He was compared to Kovalchuk by some and to Kovalev by others.
    Michalek - Bobby Holik with better skating.

    Let's look at the 2005 players mentioned in this thread:

    Crosby - Supposed to be the Next 1 (Wayne/Mario).
    Johnson - Compared to Chris Chelios.
    Pouliot - I've watched him play and he's more like Heatley in my opinion.
    Ryan - Rick Nash and John LeClair.
    Kopitar - Pretty much same situation as Vanek in 2003.
    Brule - Peca with a better shot.

    Now that we look at the comparisons, can we honestly say the 2003 top flight players are really better? of course a lot of us say they're better because we've seen what they've done, sadly we hav'nt given the 2005 players a chance to prove themselves, who knows, maybe the 2005 group might be better then the 2003, I think the 2005 group is a lot like the 2003 during their draft year, maybe guys like Zherdev and Staal were a little better then the rest but because Crosby is in the mix I tend to say the 2005 group is very close when you think about it, in my opinion I think this is as good as a tie.
     
  22. turnbuckle*

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    It was not a question of the top ten - and if you did count the top ten, or top 20, I would no doubt favour the 2003 class. As I stated earlier, that was not the question.

    However, to be fairer (I hate when I do that):

    Crosby>>Staal (sorry but he's at least >> better)
    Johnson = Zherdev (I'd rather have JJ on my team, Euro lovers will differ)
    Ryan = Horton (Ryan will be the bigger NHL sniper IMO, but not as gritty)
    Kopitar = Vanek (talent vs. talent)
    Brule < Fleury (close tho)
    Pouliot > Michalek

    Still 3-1. Could be 2-1. I'll take Sid and co.

    I don't see how you could prefer the top six of 2003, unless you just can't help but include Phaneuf, Carter, etc, even tho that was not the comparison asked for.
     
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    The way I see it, If you match up the players taken in the top 6 of the 2003 draft, with the players who are supposed to be the top 6 in this years draft, I'd probably take 2005.

    But as another poster pointed out, obviously the 2003 draft kills this years after that. The depth of that draft is proving to be even more insane then people envisioned.
     
  24. Birko19

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    Yes, depth wise the 2003 is one of the deepest drafts I've seen, there was guys being picked in the 2nd round but could be good mid/late first rounders, but I believe the original post only dealt with the following players mentioned, therefore the 2005 might get the nod potential wise since Crosby is on their list.
     
  25. projexns

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    Man, this is a tough crowd. The top four picks in the 2003 draft all stepped into the NHL in their draft year, and they didn't just sit on the bench and watch but made meaningful contributions to their teams. But that's yesterday's news, there's a new draft class to get excited about.........
     
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