199 points on 347 goals= 57%...untouchable

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  1. fortier

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    1988-89

    Mario Lemieux did 199 points on 347 goals of his team: IT MEANS THAT HE CONTRIBUTE OF 57% OF THE GOALs

    Nhl record

    Just an idea on how he was alone:

    OVECHKIN this year contribute to 45 % of the goals of the Washington Capitals....and we can say that......he was alone hey


    Second best of all time: Lemieux WITH 53 % in 86-87 on 319 goals

    Third Best: Gretzky : 52% with the oilers

    so on 10 goals that the Pittsburgh Penguins did , Lemieux was on the scoresheet for almost 6 goals.



    This record is untouchable ans nobody will ever approach this

    This is really the real definition of a hart trophy winner.


    Look the roster of the 1986-87.........................can i tell you that they were not close of the playoffs:

    # Player Name GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
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    Mario Lemieux................................. 77 70 98 168 92 -- -- -- -- --
    Dan Quinn..................................... 70 40 39 79 50 -- -- -- -- --
    Randy Cunneyworth............................. 71 35 39 74 141 -- -- -- -- --
    Paul Coffey................................... 46 15 52 67 93 -- -- -- -- --
    Doug Bodger................................... 69 14 31 45 103 -- -- -- -- --
    Rob Brown..................................... 51 24 20 44 56 -- -- -- -- --
    Dave Hunter, Edmonton......................... 21 3 3 6 6 -- -- -- -- --
    Pittsburgh....................... 59 11 18 29 77 -- -- -- -- --
    Totals........................... 80 14 21 35 83 -- -- -- -- --
    Charlie Simmer................................ 50 11 17 28 24 -- -- -- -- --
    Jock Callander................................ 41 11 16 27 45 -- -- -- -- --
    * Craig Simpson................................. 21 13 13 26 34 -- -- -- -- --
    Bryan Erickson, Los Angeles................... 42 6 15 21 20 -- -- -- -- --
    Pittsburgh.................... 11 1 4 5 0 -- -- -- -- --
    Totals........................ 53 7 19 26 20 -- -- -- -- --
    Ville Siren................................... 58 1 20 21 62 -- -- -- -- --
    Dave McLlwain................................. 66 11 8 19 40 -- -- -- -- --
    Troy Loney.................................... 65 5 13 18 151 -- -- -- -- --
    Phil Bourque.................................. 21 4 12 16 20 -- -- -- -- --
    Dan Frawley................................... 47 6 8 14 152 -- -- -- -- --
    Jim Johnson................................... 55 1 12 13 87 -- -- -- -- --
    Randy Hillier................................. 55 1 12 13 144 -- -- -- -- --
    Rod Buskas.................................... 76 4 8 12 206 -- -- -- -- --
    Steve Gotaas.................................. 36 5 6 11 45 -- -- -- -- --
    Zarley Zalapski............................... 15 3 8 11 7 -- -- -- -- --
    * Moe Mantha.................................... 21 2 8 10 23 -- -- -- -- --
    Bob Errey..................................... 17 3 6 9 18 -- -- -- -- --
    Chris Dahlquist............................... 44 3 6 9 69 -- -- -- -- --
    Mark Kachowski................................ 38 5 3 8 126 -- -- -- -- --
    Perry Ganchar, Mtl. Canadiens................. 1 1 0 1 0 -- -- -- -- --
    Pittsburgh..................... 30 2 5 7 36 -- -- -- -- --
    Totals......................... 31 3 5 8 36 -- -- -- -- --
    Wilf Paiement................................. 23 2 6 8 39 -- -- -- -- --
    * Chris Kontos.................................. 36 1 7 8 12 -- -- -- -- --
    Kevin Stevens................................. 16 5 2 7 8 -- -- -- -- --
    * Dave Hannan................................... 21 4 3 7 23 -- -- -- -- --
    Dwight Mathiasen.............................. 23 0 6 6 14 -- -- -- -- --
    Wayne Van Dorp................................ 25 1 3 4 75 -- -- -- -- --
    * Chris Joseph.................................. 17 0 4 4 12 -- -- -- -- --
    Norm Schmidt.................................. 5 1 2 3 0 -- -- -- -- --
    Todd Charlesworth............................. 6 2 0 2 2 -- -- -- -- --
    Brad Aitken................................... 5 1 1 2 0 -- -- -- -- --
    Lee Giffin.................................... 19 0 2 2 9 -- -- -- -- --
    Frank Pietrangelo (G)......................... 21 0 2 2 2 -- -- -- -- --
    Scott Gruhl................................... 6 1 0 1 0 -- -- -- -- --
    Pat Mayer..................................... 1 0 0 0 4 -- -- -- -- --
    Dave Goertz................................... 2 0 0 0 2 -- -- -- -- --
    Warren Young.................................. 7 0 0 0 15 -- -- -- -- --
    Jimmy Mann.................................... 9 0 0 0 53 -- -- -- -- --
    Steve Guenette (G)............................ 19 0 0 0 2 -- -- -- -- --
    Pat Riggin (G)................................ 22 0 0 0 12 -- -- -- -- --
    Gilles Meloche (G)............................ 27 0 0 0 0 -- -- -- -- --
    Bench 80 26
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------
    Totals 319 520 839 2211
     
  2. That is quite impressive. Although I'm not sure what kind of response you are looking for.
     
  3. The_Eck

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    Everybody acknowledges that lemieux's 88-89 season was staggering, you don't have to make a daily thread about it.
     
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    yes i agree

    but man 57%.......man do you know whant it mean

    Everybogy dispute fact of who was more alone this year: Ovechkin of Crosby

    Like i said Ovechkin at a (poor ha ha) 45 %


    Yes i'm sorry this NUMBER 57% DESERVE a tread for itself
     
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    ...damn rookie users.
     
  6. Ogopogo*

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    That's nice but, what does it really mean? It could mean that Mario played a freaking ton of ice time. It could mean that the rest of the team was brutal. It could be a combination of both.

    Also, there are as many as 3 points on every goal, Lemieux did not contribute 57% of goals. It was 23.7% of the team's points scored.

    Nice stat but, it really doesn't indicate much of anything.
     
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    This is clearly a huge and meaningful stat. Ogopogo why do you completely dismiss stats for goalies being in any way meaningful and continue to talk about forwards and defencemen like their greatness (dominance) can be determined by your limited statistical formula.

    I respect your work and all but you dismiss this as irrelevant statisitcally. You dismiss goalies being able to be measured statistically but you think Cy Denney can be compared to Mike Bossy or Wayne Gretzky.

    You say we don't know how many minutes Mario was on ice during the season. But your statisical system does not account for Time on Ice.

    I think Mario played probably about 26-29 minutes a game that season. A guess. Anyone have a better idea of how much he played that season? There must be stats around for that year from old issues of Hockey News or other magazines that could give a very accurate guesstimate.

    What is amazing to me is that Coffey was only around for 46 games. Coffey was a part of every 190+ point season in NHL history. (fact many don't know)

    I wonder also how many goals were scored against the Pens when Mario was on the ice. We could find his plus/minus that season (anyone know it?) but I would like to know including PP and shorthanded time how many goals Mario was on the ice when the Pens were scored on.

    The Pens allowed 349 goals and scored 347. I wonder if Mario was a plus 50 (including special teams) or a plus 75 or a plus 20 or maybe even a negative. (unlikely)

    Either way an amazing season.
     
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    What?

    Lemieux was in on 57% of the goals scored. Points scored? Who the hell cares?
     
  9. Luigi Lemieux

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    he was a +41 that season. this was also the year he set the nhl record of 13 short handed goals.
     
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    thats really impressive
    i think tie domi had similar #'s last season
     
  11. tom_servo

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    I believe the Penguins set the NHL record for powerplay goals that season.

    This was also the year Lemieux scored his famous five goals, five different ways.
     
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    mario was good
     
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    Here's the plus/minus stats for the '89 Penguins and the component data (number of goals for/against by situation):

    Team TeamCode POS Name GP TGF PGF TGA PGA PM
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT C Mario Lemieux 76 254 110 163 60 41
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT L Bob Errey 76 104 3 92 31 40
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT R Rob Brown 68 164 77 63 3 27
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT D Zarley Zalapski 58 120 61 72 22 9
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT D Jim Johnson 76 85 13 114 49 7
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT L Mark Kachowski 12 3 0 2 0 1
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT R Dan Frawley 46 15 1 15 0 -1
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT R Mark Recchi 15 4 0 6 0 -2
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT D Rod Buskas 52 28 0 52 22 -2
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT R Jock Callander 30 24 8 19 0 -3
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT R Perry Ganchar 3 0 0 3 0 -3
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT R Richard Zemlak 34 1 0 4 0 -3
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT R Jay Caufield 58 12 0 17 1 -4
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT D Randy Hillier 68 73 1 107 31 -4
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT L Troy Loney 69 38 0 73 30 -5
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT D Chris Dahlquist 43 23 2 45 16 -8
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT L Kevin Stevens 24 22 7 23 0 -8
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT D Gord Dineen 40 30 3 48 12 -9
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT D Paul Coffey 75 209 102 144 27 -10
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT C Dave McLlwain 24 5 1 15 0 -11
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT C Dave Hannan 72 42 5 97 48 -12
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT R Scott Bjugstad 24 4 0 16 0 -12
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT D Steve Dykstra 65 36 2 83 37 -12
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT L Phil Bourque 80 97 47 100 28 -22
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT L Randy Cunneyworth 70 76 32 69 3 -22
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT C John Cullen 79 75 39 65 4 -25
    1989 Pittsburgh Penguins PIT C Dan Quinn 79 132 74 107 12 -37

    I know that's hard to read... but Lemieux was on the ice for 55% more than any other forward. That's beyond you would expect, regardless of his ice time. Even if Lemieux got 30 minutes per game, that would imply that no other forward got around 19:20. I doubt Lemiex was the only Pen to crack the 20 minute mark. Lemieux was also on the ice for 22% more goals than Coffey, who was getting I'd say 28-32 minutes per game.
     
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    So Mario was a +89 (including specialty teams) ona team that had 2 more goals against then they scored. Pretty freaking impressive.
     
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    I remember at one point well into the season in the 2000-2001 season Jason Allison was on a similar % of the team's goals...close to 60%. But I guess he tailed off and ended up at 41%.
     
  16. KariyaIsGod*

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    Heck of a season. One of the better seasons of all-time.
     
  17. God Bless Canada

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    And for those of you wondering why Dan Quinn, despite having all the skill in the world (and I mean it, the guy was gifted offensively), couldn't hold a consistent NHL job, you have your answer. Well, that and he was never the best locker room guy. And that little incident in a Minnesota hotel room in 1992.
     
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    You're the guy kind of guy that would complain about winning the lottery because it came in $20's.
     
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    yea good thread, but imo it belongs in the history of hockey board
     
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    94 points, and last in team +/-. ...Actually, last by a margin of 78 (from the leader). Nearly an extra goal-against per game.
     
  21. Selanne was in on 50% of Anaheim's goals in 98-99. No biggie.
     
  22. VanIslander

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    Let's not be so quick to celebrate performances on BAD teams.

    Lemieux and Ovechkin HAD to take things on their shoulders. Mario eventually got help and AO will too.
     
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    Pittsburgh made the playoffs that season and swept the Rangers in the first round and then went to 7 games against Philadelphia. They weren't a terrible team. Well they were aside from Coffey, Mario and maybe Brown, Errey and Zalapski, but they made it to the 7th game of the second round so not a BAD team.
     
  24. bigjags*

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    Yawn. I don't wanna read **** like this. Save your replies for another message board.
     
  25. bigjags*

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    Don't be sour that Mario was better than Gretz.
     

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