GDT: 17 o'clock, Janauary 13th, Colorado @ Carolina: Natural Disasters Edition

What the Faulk

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I don't disagree that Carolina might have been different, but Columbus was a poor example. They're not really in any different of a position. In any event, it's beside the point.

You want changes (and so do a lot of people) but have no idea how to go about making those, mostly because no one wants/can afford the player you want to get rid of. So how do the changes get made? That's the problem. They kind of can't.
 

Navin R Slavin

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Sometimes, you just have a string of s***ty results for six years, and the worst thing you can do is to pretend that nothing is wrong.

Man, you had a lot of typos there! Fixed them for you, though.

Wow, I feel better now, because this makes so much more sense than that thing you accidentally typed.
 

What the Faulk

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Who's saying nothing is wrong? All I'm saying is that the group everyone is talking about is worth far more to this team than anywhere else. Blame JR for that.
 

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We can agree to disagree then. At a similar time to when we got healthy their record was .500. Wasn't referencing their record now. At .500 we may have been able to put a run together. It is what it is though.

And yes, the changes will be tough, agreed. But they have to find a way to make some as opportunities present themselves. I just feel like too many people are advocating we would have been better without injuries and we should re-sign people. I want a different direction. Toxic contacts have been moved before and hopefully management can make it happen. If not, I do approve of the draft and develop plan that seems to be getting put in place. I'd just trade what I can to supplement that idea.
 

What the Faulk

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^ Everyone is always talking about me.

We can agree to disagree then. At a similar time to when we got healthy their record was .500. Wasn't referencing their record now. At .500 we may have been able to put a run together. It is what it is though.

And yes, the changes will be tough, agreed. But they have to find a way to make some as opportunities present themselves. I just feel like too many people are advocating we would have been better without injuries and we should re-sign people. I want a different direction. Toxic contacts have been moved before and hopefully management can make it happen. If not, I do approve of the draft and develop plan that seems to be getting put in place. I'd just trade what I can to supplement that idea.

I don't know about re-signing anyone except if the price was right. And for guys like Staal and Ward, I think it could be. Both know their next deal won't be near what they're making now, and while they could further tank, they're only 30 and still have a useful 5 years left. I think they also probably realize long-term deals/NTCs are off the table.

As far as Tlusty goes, I'm not even sure he's worth (to this team) what he's making now.
 

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So for those that want to "blow it up", I've got a hypothetical:

Say you're the GM. Your plan is to start the rebuild and "blow it up", building around a new core. What's the plan for the old core? What do you plan on doing with the Staals, Ward, and Semin?
 

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You want changes (and so do a lot of people) but have no idea how to go about making those, mostly because no one wants/can afford the player you want to get rid of. So how do the changes get made? That's the problem. They kind of can't.

IMO a big step in the right direction (and the only reason I chimed in) would be a perma-ban on the concept that "this team is good enough to make the playoffs" until they ACTUALLY make the playoffs.

It's one thing when a team is clinging to the 8th seed and lose their red-hot 1C for the rest of the season, narrowly finishing outside the bubble. In that case it's understandable to play the "what if" game and feel like the breaks just weren't there. But this idea that the Carolina Hurricanes are a playoff team if only both the Staals, Skinner, Semin, Ward, and all the defensemen could stay healthy and not have slumps... seriously, that kind of talk needs to go away and not come back. This group of players has proven absolutely nothing that would give them the benefit of the doubt. It's a fundamentally flawed roster, several of these guys haven't played up to their reputations and it should be a given that they're not going to make the playoffs until they step up and show differently. That's a fundamental change in organizational attitude, a 180 degree pivot that this franchise has made with all the agility of a jumbo-jet trying to do a 3-point turn.
 

What the Faulk

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Well I agree with that. I mean, they definitely do need changes here and there and the filling of significant holes. And yes, trading a Ward or a Semin will free up some money to put towards that, but then you've got another hole that needs filling, and this one is bigger. Really the only way they can get better in the short term is to develop more players within.
 

Ole Gil

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Well I agree with that. I mean, they definitely do need changes here and there and the filling of significant holes. And yes, trading a Ward or a Semin will free up some money to put towards that, but then you've got another hole that needs filling, and this one is bigger. Really the only way they can get better in the short term is to develop more players within.

Can Semin fill the hole to begin with is the question? He's never been particularly healthy, and now he's got a wrist thing that's been going on for a long time, on top of whatever else is wrong with him physically. To what level he's going to bounce back from this has to be a major concern.

I doubt they can move him, but if it's an option, I'd think it's the safer play.

And Ward has Khudobin waiting in the wings.

I think that's what sets those two apart from Eric who will still lead the team in scoring on one leg, and Jordan who's their giant possession dominating center. There's nobody available to replace the low end of what we expect from those two.
 

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The fact of the matter is that the Staal's and Ward have NTCs, and Semin is all but immovable. Those 4 alone will generally keep a team out of lottery range, making a full on, blow-it-up rebuild difficult until their contracts run out.
 

tarheelhockey

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Can Semin fill the hole to begin with is the question?

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