Let's talk about Robidas Island. How is this allowed? How are the Leafs getting away with it? I know in some cases it's debatable, but let's look at Lupul for example. Who independently verifies that he's actually injured and not just "being paid $4M to stay away from the team?" Just curious what the chances are that this comes back to bite us in the long run.
Let's talk about Robidas Island. How is this allowed? How are the Leafs getting away with it? I know in some cases it's debatable, but let's look at Lupul for example. Who independently verifies that he's actually injured and not just "being paid $4M to stay away from the team?" Just curious what the chances are that this comes back to bite us in the long run.
Let's talk about Robidas Island. How is this allowed? How are the Leafs getting away with it? I know in some cases it's debatable, but let's look at Lupul for example. Who independently verifies that he's actually injured and not just "being paid $4M to stay away from the team?" Just curious what the chances are that this comes back to bite us in the long run.
Let's talk about Robidas Island. How is this allowed? How are the Leafs getting away with it? I know in some cases it's debatable, but let's look at Lupul for example. Who independently verifies that he's actually injured and not just "being paid $4M to stay away from the team?" Just curious what the chances are that this comes back to bite us in the long run.
If it was to come back and bite us, I would think it would have with Robidas. He played in exhibition games, then all of a sudden he's back coaching his kids school team and off the roster. I don't think it's a stretch to say Lupul's body has failed him and he won't be playing pro hockey ever again.
Let's talk about Robidas Island. How is this allowed? How are the Leafs getting away with it? I know in some cases it's debatable, but let's look at Lupul for example. Who independently verifies that he's actually injured and not just "being paid $4M to stay away from the team?" Just curious what the chances are that this comes back to bite us in the long run.
Robidas has knee/leg issues. It's possible that after playing that game that it was clear he had to make the decision to unofficially retire because his knees couldn't handle the NHL, instead of forcing it in the AHL. Maybe he blew out his ACL... We really don't know what happened behind closed doors.
He's been with the Marlies recently as a development coach.
Let's talk about Robidas Island. How is this allowed? How are the Leafs getting away with it? I know in some cases it's debatable, but let's look at Lupul for example. Who independently verifies that he's actually injured and not just "being paid $4M to stay away from the team?" Just curious what the chances are that this comes back to bite us in the long run.
Plenty of teams/players "get away with it".
Are you saying the Leafs are creating a conspiracy of some kind?
Plenty of players throughout the years were on LTIR for years until they retired after their contracts expired. It happens a lot.
There is a negative 100% chance this comes back to bite us.
Because the Leafs clearly are able to work out a deal with the players. So obviously management manages to get these guys on board somehow.
Interestingly Mirtle has mentioned that Lupul for example absolutely refuses to talk about his situation.
There's no independent verification.
Its an interesting question. I think its correct to say that there is no independent verification, and that both the NHL and NHLPA seem unconcerned about it. From the NHLPA perspective, given that the player still gets paid, it addresses their main concern.
Let's talk about Robidas Island. How is this allowed? How are the Leafs getting away with it? I know in some cases it's debatable, but let's look at Lupul for example. Who independently verifies that he's actually injured and not just "being paid $4M to stay away from the team?" Just curious what the chances are that this comes back to bite us in the long run.
Its an interesting question. I think its correct to say that there is no independent verification, and that both the NHL and NHLPA seem unconcerned about it. From the NHLPA perspective, given that the player still gets paid, it addresses their main concern.
I find it weird that it feels like we're the only fanbase that cares so much about players that are obviously unofficially retired due to injuries.
Lupul failed a physical. There is nothing illegal or immoral about that.
Plenty of teams/players "get away with it".
If the doctors say a player isn't healthy, or if the player says he's not healthy, how are you going to say they are wrong or even actually lying about it? I'm sure there's plenty of evaluations and underlying things happening. Are you saying the Leafs are creating a conspiracy of some kind?
If a player was healthy and/or wanted to play, all he has to do is play. If the team is blocking him from playing, all he has to do is file a grievance or go public about it. It's really simple. Lupul failed his physical and it was made public that he wasn't healthy.
Pronger was working as a NHL executive while still contracted by a NHL team. Plenty of players throughout the years were on LTIR for years until they retired after their contracts expired. It happens a lot.
There is a negative 100% chance this comes back to bite us.
What wouldn't it be allowed? What rule is being broken?
We're approaching older players with these options:
Stay injured and collect your contract. Let us deal with the cap implications.
Or
You come back to play. And once you're cleared you're a Marlie and likely not even playing and we gain $1mil in cap space or so.
These are all great examples for why the NHL needs an out option which can benefit older NA born players who can't go home to the KHL.
Why shouldn't we and Lupul be able to mutually terminate our deal if he wants to go try and make Vegas for 800K? Since we can't, this is the result.
Lupul keeping his mouth shut is for the good of his team and his PA.
Its an interesting question. I think its correct to say that there is no independent verification, and that both the NHL and NHLPA seem unconcerned about it. From the NHLPA perspective, given that the player still gets paid, it addresses their main concern.
I find it weird that it feels like we're the only fanbase that cares so much about players that are obviously unofficially retired due to injuries. They weren't exactly out of the blue.
Lupul was a walking cast for most of his career and all of a sudden we're wondering if there's some question marks about his recent injury? I mean, let's get real here.
Horton has a very painful back issue and I read awhile back that he's in pain by standing up too long, or something along those lines.
As for Robidas, looks like his knees never really healed. Not sure how anyone can think he wasn't a risk of being on LTIR.
Either way, I have no idea how any of this could come back to bite us. I really don't see it.
I can't see it biting us, tbh. It would have been more advantageous for us to not have them on the IR, waive them, and save 950K each.
Possible scenario:
Lupul isn't injured...per se. However, even though he may be healthy enough to attend camp and play, he has been warned by Doctors that he is at risk for serious injury if he take to the ice (ie, back or neck issues from bodychecks).
Lupul is also told that there is no guarantee he would even MAKE the team out of camp. We're going with the kids, he's told. You may end up 4th line, but you're probably going to join Greening, etc, on the Marlies.
Lupul weighs his options. Decides discretion is the better part of valour (and 5.2 mil) and tells the team he will go on LTIR rather than risk further injury (to his body and to his ego).
So in a sense...he CAN play...but he's at risk if he does.
Plausible?
can you explain the 950k part? Must be something I'm not aware of.
edit.... nevermind... googled it.
950k is nice but not enough incentive for a team to "do the right thing" to a player in Lupul's situation (wants to play, healthy*, has an NHL contract, not wanted in the NHL) when they can LTIR him and get full cap relief.
*assuming he is healthy. I realize he might not be.
Can we change the thread title? The marner injury thing is scaring me
This is how I understand it:
LTIR gives teams flexibility to go over the cap, but not to it. The salary cap of Robidas, Horton and Lupul still applied to our cap hit this season, and in essence, we got no cap releif. The Leafs did not use any of our LTIR cap space this season which you can tell when we were ~100K under the cap at seasons end... if we used LTIR space, we'd be at 0. LTIR gave the leafs ability to ADD cap (up to ~12 million), but they didn't utilize it at the TDL. (A missed opportunity IMO, maybe we were planning on adding but deal(s) fell through).
Furthurmore, LTIR does not benefit the club when you take ELC bonuses into account. By placing Horton, Robidas and Lupul off LTIR, and sending them all to the AHL, we would have 2.85 million (950K each). This could have contributed to cap savings which COULD HAVE been used to the accumulated ELC bonuses for Matthews/Nylander/Marner.
Now, nearly the entire bonuses will go to our cap hit next season.
At the end of the day, because we didn't acquire any large contract(s), we would have been better off NOT having Lupul et al. on LTIR as it would have lower our commitment to rookie bonuses for next season.
Does this make sense?
Let's talk about Robidas Island. How is this allowed? How are the Leafs getting away with it? I know in some cases it's debatable, but let's look at Lupul for example. Who independently verifies that he's actually injured and not just "being paid $4M to stay away from the team?" Just curious what the chances are that this comes back to bite us in the long run.